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important betty and barney hill were to

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me not only

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through uh adulthood but uh prior to

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that

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as well and it's just never left me

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over over over the years and this is

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what i found out

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this is my point i thought i was unique

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in my interest in betty and barney right

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i thought i thought that they were my

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little you know it was the book and the

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thing and the meaning and the

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synchronicities and all of that

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you start talking to uh people out there

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and betty and barney hill affected

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everybody they affected the country

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didn't they

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they absolutely did you know so many

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people come up to me at conferences and

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and say i became interested in this

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topic because i saw betty and barney on

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television

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or uh i saw the movie about betty and

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barney hill starring james earl jones

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and estelle parsons

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and it really had an impact

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on people and i think worldwide because

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that first book was published in

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many different languages

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the uh the movie and and i actually

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uh talked about that i remember seeing

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the movie

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uh when i was younger and

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and thought to myself this is you know

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because i was young i was probably

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eight nine ten years old when the movie

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came out um

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and then you go and crack open an

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encyclopedia

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or you pick up and then you say wait a

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minute

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this isn't science fiction this was a

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real event

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as traumatic as it was and as crazy it

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was

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very skeptical when i started to do

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my investigation because i had been

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reading this is in the late mid to late

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80s i'd been reading

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newspaper articles i had been watching

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television shows

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and i was hearing information

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that sounded unfamiliar to me that it

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was

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happened

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and uh then when i went off to college

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i knew you know my uncle barney had died

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while when i was in college

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but after that i was just sort of

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out in other areas of the country

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going to school working that sort of

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thing

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and i hadn't really had an

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interest in following the ufo

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news regarding betty and

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then when i moved back to new hampshire

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in 1983

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there i was close to her again and so

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i automatically picked up and and

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started

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reading articles written by people like

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carl sagan

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and and philip class and

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different books and it just

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i wanted to know fact and i wanted to

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know

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what was fiction and that really started

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my investigation of my aunt and uncle's

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case

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i wanted to leave no stone unturned

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and i was going to write a book but that

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book was going to have

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whatever i found if all of that was a

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mistake

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based on a dream then that's what i

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would have written in that book but

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that's

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not what i found and it has been the

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most

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fantastic investigation

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over so many years with so much

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scientific interest and still today

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scientists are writing to me and

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uh speaking about doing uh

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different types of of tests on

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the evidence so it's very exciting

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now when you

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when you put yourself in the unique

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position of

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a being there from the very beginning

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right and a family member

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knowing the inside stuff right

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and you're you're privy to the

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conversations with

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with family members and the

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conversations that you had with

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uh betty and barney versus

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the other research that was going on

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over the years the other

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the skeptics the debunkers the believers

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things get uh blown up you know

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and twisted and you've got to separate

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all of this

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and try to go on this own journey

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yourself

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trying to figure it out it must have

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been a challenge

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it was jimmy but i was committed to

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doing it

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and i for example interviewed walter

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webb who was the original investigator

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from the national investigations

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committee on aerial phenomena

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and uh i had betty's collection

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uh years and years and years of letters

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to and from scientists all of the air

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reports different types of

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letters and and information

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and i uh acquired more

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from walter webb when i was uh speaking

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with him

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at his home i he asked me what i had and

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i didn't have the letters that betty

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wrote to walter

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i had his response but not her letters

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he gave me that information

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and spoke to me about how he

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looked at the spots on the trunk of

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their car when he was

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up there to interview betty and barney

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for

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six hours in early october of 1961

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and uh he wished that he had

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taken uh a tape recorder with him in

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those days you know they were

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really pretty large they were about the

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size of a picnic cooler

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but uh he would have had to borrow one

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he didn't he

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thought this was just another case

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walter was an astronomer at the hayden

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planetarium in boston

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and so he was a scientist doing this

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investigation he'd

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also worked with alan heineck on the

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satellite tracking program

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um during his career and

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so it was he had some regrets

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but i think that he did a very good

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investigation

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given the materials that he had which

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you know a pen and paper and and his

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good

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sense and uh his training

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to uh carry out a good investigation

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what was um let's talk about that for a

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what was heinek's overall

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take on the case because he wrote the

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forward to the book

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he did i believe so i thought it was ben

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simon i thought it was jay

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allen heineck now i should be now see

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you're killing it for me sorry

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that it was

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uh dr benjamin simon i met alan heineck

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simon's house so

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i was i was involved in this

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all of this investigation as a teenager

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and betty and barney uh were really

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great family members they came to my

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grandparents house a couple of one or

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two days a week

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and i grew up across the street from

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them so we would always

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visit and they would bring

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different investigators down to meet the

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family

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they took me to dr simon's house for

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dinner

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and john fuller who wrote the

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interrupted journey

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and alan heineck because uh

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was now uh had probably started kuffos

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blue book and he was at northwestern

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university i think unless he was still

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whatever

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uh i met i had dinner with them and and

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you know what an honor it was as i look

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on that uh to to be in

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their presence with betty and barney

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betty and barney took me to a lot of

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different things when they

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when they spoke after the book was

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on to watch them as they did radio shows

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because they were very actively involved

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in politics

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u.s civil rights commission

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as a representative from the state of

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shriver for the u.s

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poverty program for helping to set up

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the rockingham county community action

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first chairman of the board of directors

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for that so they were very

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actively involved in community affairs

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and had always intended to share their

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with scientists with ufo investigators

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confidentially with friends and family

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members

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but we were sworn to secrecy i couldn't

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go to school and tell the other

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kids about that um yeah you would have

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been the hippest

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um let's go back for a second i want to

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uh two very important key issues with

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that doesn't get talked about enough

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betty and barney where we had the whole

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contact e movement

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and and george van tassel and and

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everything that was going on at that

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time in venus and

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okay all right there was that part but

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alien abduction

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that's a whole nother situation and

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betty and barney have uh

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i don't know if it's a distinct honor

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right at this point

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but were they the first were they the

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first alien abduction where

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now we've got another situation that

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we're dealing with here it's not

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it's not people coming here to help us

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from venus

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this is an actual uh abduction

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were they the first well let me put it

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this way jimmy

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they were the first scientifically

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investigated case

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in the united states before that there

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had been a report to

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nycap 1955 or 56

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but they simply didn't investigate it

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1961 but betty's and barney's case was

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the

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first scientifically investigated by

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nycap and others

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uh to be classified as an abduction

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yes right yes and okay so we have

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that part and we're going to we're going

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to circle back

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uh the the climate in the country

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it was not what it is today they were a

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biracial couple

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and and so that's a whole nother element

294
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that you have to put into this where

295
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there's a certain amount of celebrity

296
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that comes along with the first

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alien abduction case and everything that

298
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resulted from that

299
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but they were also biracial so that was

300
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a whole other thing that they had to

301
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deal with as a couple

302
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but the nation had to deal with this too

303
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yes and you know they never intended for

304
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that story to go

305
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forward to the public it was to remain

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confidential

307
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and uh so i think that it probably just

308
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added another layer of complexity

309
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to the entire thing

310
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when as the violation of confidentiality

311
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it was published in the boston traveler

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carried in the newspaper for five days

313
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and then betty and barney spoke for the

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first time

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after that at the unitarian church in

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dover new hampshire they were introduced

317
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by the public

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information officer from pease air force

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base

320
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the church was packed with people and

321
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they didn't talk about the abduction

322
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they only talked about

323
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this the close encounter that they had

324
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had

325
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they even did that because this didn't

326
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only impact betty and barney it impacted

327
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the entire family

328
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sure so we sat down as a family and

329
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discussed

330
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our options and what we should do and

331
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we agreed that they should

332
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step forward now because the story had

333
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already been

334
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carried in the boston traveler and

335
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aroused interest and was

336
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there um uh was there

337
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stress because of them being uh

338
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uh the couple that they were

339
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without the ufo situation right i mean

340
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you have that

341
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element uh with the community too as

342
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well

343
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and i can only imagine betty and barney

344
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going you know what we've got other

345
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,680
stuff we're dealing with

346
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we don't need an alien abduction

347
00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:56,959
situation too

348
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as well they didn't jimmy

349
00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:03,600
and and when john latrell

350
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wrote to them in september of 1965

351
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,160
uh he said that they he had been

352
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speaking with betty's friend

353
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and that she had told him all about

354
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betty and barney

355
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and if they were as nice as she said

356
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they were

357
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that he would just love to speak with

358
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them

359
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about this experience he thinks it is

360
00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:30,399
probably

361
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the greatest experience that anyone had

362
00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:34,880
had

363
00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:37,759
and he promised that he would never

364
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commercialize

365
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that information in any way if they

366
00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:43,040
would speak with him

367
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:46,399
and they said absolutely not this is to

368
00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:46,959
remain

369
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confidential we have jobs to

370
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,560
worry about you know she's a social

371
00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:54,639
worker for the state of new hampshire

372
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known for that he works for the post

373
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:57,680
office

374
00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:00,560
and they didn't want to lose their jobs

375
00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:02,399
they didn't want to be thought of as a

376
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:03,040
couple of

377
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:06,399
ufo kooks they'd never had an interest

378
00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:07,440
in that topic

379
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:10,560
before that event happened

380
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to them and so it was

381
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:16,720
it was pretty stressful when this

382
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:17,600
happened

383
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:21,120
and especially because it had such an

384
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impact on barney the the abduction

385
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,360
itself

386
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:28,160
he was the one who had the conscious

387
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:30,160
continuous recall

388
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:33,519
of walking uh of stopping the car

389
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,120
as the craft hovered 200 feet overhead

390
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:39,600
of getting out of the car with the

391
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,560
binoculars

392
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:43,040
and looking up at this craft stop

393
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:43,920
stepping

394
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:47,759
back and when he stepped back the craft

395
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:50,880
moved to an adjacent field

396
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:55,360
that would have been to the east and uh

397
00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:58,560
moved down drove the car down right

398
00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,199
which was

399
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,360
you know what i can i just say this

400
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:04,480
barney was crazy

401
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:08,000
i mean you have a choice right you can

402
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:09,839
continue up the freeway they were

403
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:12,160
looking for a hotel or something right

404
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:16,240
just go and and and and continue on

405
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:19,039
you don't necessarily turn right and and

406
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:20,959
drive into the field but barney did

407
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,799
i'm glad they didn't drive into the

408
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,240
field jimmy

409
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,799
the craft hovered over the road it

410
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,919
shifted ahead

411
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:30,080
right and hovered over the road if he

412
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,160
had not moved his car

413
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,320
to the center of the road he would have

414
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:36,880
been underneath the craft

415
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:40,080
and so uh he was

416
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:42,480
he he did not believe this was even

417
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:43,840
possible

418
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:46,720
so he was going to prove to betty that

419
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:48,080
this was a conventional

420
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:51,120
aircraft right right and so he stepped

421
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:52,480
out of the car

422
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:55,679
and uh walked into the very quickly that

423
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:56,400
it wasn't

424
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,080
right and the um uh okay so

425
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,720
let's let's let's let's move forward

426
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,760
from this actually

427
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:06,400
i want to go to the next day okay

428
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:07,440
because

429
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,760
and and you can correct me if i'm wrong

430
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,280
you and i have talked about this enough

431
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:13,520
so hopefully my memory's not that bad

432
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:16,400
um that you went to the house the next

433
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:17,760
day

434
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,520
right betty called my childhood home

435
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,640
the next day i was at their house about

436
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:25,679
two days later

437
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:29,039
two days was the 22nd or 23rd something

438
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:29,679
like that

439
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:32,000
and so take me through that what did

440
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,080
betty say what

441
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:36,559
i could only imagine the phone call what

442
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:39,360
did she say the next day

443
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:42,400
well when she called my mother

444
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:45,280
on the phone i had it was the day that

445
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,080
they were

446
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,240
they had the event and arrived home

447
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:50,080
september 20th

448
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,000
and uh she called my mother and she said

449
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:00,070
she and barney had uh had this

450
00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:04,240
close-up sighting of a flying saucer the

451
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:05,679
night before

452
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,559
and that it had come so close to them

453
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:10,080
that she was afraid they'd been

454
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:13,840
contaminated uh that they might have had

455
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:17,200
been radiated and when they uh when

456
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,559
arrived home that morning they

457
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,440
uh they were later than they thought

458
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:24,559
they would be

459
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:27,840
they took long showers they felt

460
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:31,039
what she said the word clammy

461
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:34,960
they felt filthy and clammy much more so

462
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,000
than you would feel by simply

463
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,679
driving uh and and having a wonderful

464
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:44,240
time on your vacation trip

465
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,799
and uh she wanted my mother

466
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:51,360
to call a neighbor of ours who was a

467
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:52,640
physicist

468
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
to ask him what she and barney should do

469
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:58,799
how could they be tested to see if they

470
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,440
were going to have radiation poisoning

471
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:04,960
and so my mother called the physicist

472
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,080
and he said a very strange thing it

473
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:10,400
wasn't about radiation at all

474
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,480
he said if betty has a compass

475
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,720
have her take it out to the car and see

476
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,880
how the needle reacts

477
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,600
and so betty then found her compass she

478
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,360
took it out to the car she started on

479
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:24,880
the side of the car

480
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,159
it just behaved like a normal compass

481
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:30,559
but when she reached the trunk of the

482
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:31,360
car

483
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,960
she saw several shiny spots that hadn't

484
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:35,760
been there

485
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,159
the day before and they were about the

486
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:40,640
size of quarters or half dollars

487
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:43,840
i saw them too when i went down later

488
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:47,360
and so she held the compass over

489
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,039
those spots and the needle world

490
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,679
and when she moved it away the needle

491
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,360
dropped down again

492
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:57,520
so that was an indication of a magnetic

493
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,400
field

494
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:01,520
on the trunk of the vehicle and

495
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:04,880
so what what was the what was the

496
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:05,679
atmosphere

497
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:08,960
like when you arrived on on day two

498
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,720
who was with you my mother

499
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,440
my father and my two younger brothers

500
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:16,640
were there

501
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,280
and betty advised us

502
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,400
that barney was going to be different

503
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,240
than we were accustomed to

504
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:29,360
he was usually very interested in

505
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,000
anything we

506
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,440
had to say he played games with us chess

507
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,000
and checkers and we talked

508
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:39,600
he had a real interest in the children

509
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,640
in the family and seeing us do well and

510
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,440
so

511
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,080
uh he was different he was sitting over

512
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:48,400
in the corner by the telephone

513
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:52,000
and he was waiting for a call

514
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:55,679
from pease air force base they had made

515
00:22:02,950 --> 00:21:58,880
a call on the 21st of september

516
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,960
at the advice of my father's best friend

517
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,360
who

518
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:06,000
was the chief of police in in the next

519
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,480
town

520
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,200
over from where i grew up and he said

521
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,919
that pease air force base had contacted

522
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:13,840
the police stations

523
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:17,520
and told them that if anyone reported

524
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,280
a ufo to tell those people to report it

525
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,200
to pease air force base

526
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,159
so that's what happened the information

527
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,320
was passed to betty and barney

528
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:31,280
and they did make the report to pease

529
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:32,799
air force base

530
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:36,720
but the major henderson

531
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,520
wanted to speak further to betty and

532
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:40,880
barney

533
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:44,799
because there had been a radar report

534
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,000
at 2 14 a.m

535
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,799
on the night that they were abducted and

536
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:51,600
this

537
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:54,880
craft had apparently come out of the

538
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,679
out of the east and the ocean was to the

539
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:58,640
east

540
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:01,919
uh and was traveling toward the west

541
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:05,039
and so the pease air force base was

542
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,919
interested

543
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,200
if there might have been a connection

544
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:12,720
between that craft unidentified

545
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,320
and what happened with betty and barney

546
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:19,760
and the report ended up saying that

547
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,880
they never saw a physical craft

548
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,000
they only saw sort of the blip

549
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:28,480
on the radar screen they saw it there

550
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:29,360
but they didn't

551
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,120
visually see it so

552
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,600
that's what they had to say and my

553
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,440
father sat quietly

554
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:40,480
with barney and they talked

555
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,840
and my father told me later this is

556
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,559
years later during my investigation

557
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,679
that barney was very clear about what he

558
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:50,640
saw

559
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,159
and clear about the figures

560
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,640
dressed in black shiny uniforms who were

561
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,320
looking down at him

562
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,440
and how threatened he felt that he

563
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,760
felt like he was going to be captured

564
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:04,799
and

565
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,000
buzzing sounds on the trunk of the car

566
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:14,320
where those spots happened to be by the

567
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:15,200
way

568
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,120
and we my mother my two brothers and i

569
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,799
were in another part of the house

570
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,520
with betty and she was telling us all

571
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:24,559
about

572
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:27,679
uh the experience what was her what was

573
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,080
her

574
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:31,120
demeanor like

575
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:34,640
she wanted information

576
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:38,320
she was concerned but

577
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:42,480
she was kind of excited

578
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in a way that this is something that is

579
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a mystery

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that she wants to solve and

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uh you know we went out and we saw the

582
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spots on

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the trunk of the car we lifted my little

584
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brother up

585
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,799
i remember all of this because it was so

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shocking to me it's not the kind of

587
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thing that you ever forget

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and my brother and i then started to

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try to rub the spots off and my mother

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and betty saurus and said don't touch

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them

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you know maybe maybe you'll they'll harm

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you

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and so then we were very quickly taken

595
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back into

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the house i saw betty's watch

597
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she said see if you can make this work

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watch

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run and so i

600
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wound it up and uh i couldn't make that

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watch run no matter what i did

602
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and forever that watch

603
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,760
said 5 15. so that's

604
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,520
that's about the time that they thought

605
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,120
they arrived home

606
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,679
and their watches were not running they

607
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:54,880
went into the house they saw it was 5 15

608
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,159
they set their watches and wound them

609
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,960
and they just never ran again let's take

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our break right here this is fade to

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black i'm your host jimmy church i guess

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tonight the one and only kathleen martin

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this

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is the 60th anniversary of the betty and

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barney hill abduction case

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this is fade to block i'm your host

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jimmy church you can follow me on

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight kathleen

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martin is here it is the 60th

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00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,480
anniversary

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00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,880
of the betty and barney hill alien

738
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,799
abduction case

739
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,080
incredible incredible story and the

740
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the thing for me is kathleen was there

741
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:56,480
well she wasn't she wasn't there there

742
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,840
you know i i always uh kathleen when i

743
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,519
say that you were there

744
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,240
um uh i don't want anybody to think that

745
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:05,760
you were like hiding in the trunk of the

746
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,320
car

747
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:09,279
you know you weren't there there but you

748
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,480
were there there

749
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,760
and uh and so uh continuing our

750
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,799
conversation

751
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,519
um from where we left off there's a

752
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,799
couple of uh

753
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,320
uh things that i want to talk about

754
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,240
directly and and

755
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:25,600
uh one of them is this

756
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,720
um i know that barney uh

757
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,679
there was the the conscious part of this

758
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,440
the events that happened in the car what

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00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,200
the both of them saw

760
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uh the windows the the uniforms the

761
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,760
threat the feeling

762
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,679
um i believe there was an item in the

763
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,399
glove box that kind of surprised betty

764
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:47,039
a little bit too as well right didn't he

765
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,679
have

766
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,799
something in the glove box oh are you

767
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:51,760
talking about a

768
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,880
gun a gun right so this that was

769
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,360
actually in the trunk the trunk of the

770
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:59,600
car took it out of the trunk of the car

771
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:02,640
at their first stop to look at this

772
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,360
not not uh when the craft came ahead

773
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:10,399
but he had put the gun uh

774
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,080
on the seat of the car this is

775
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,760
and this is all the conscious things

776
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:17,840
right these are the things that

777
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:20,880
um they can talk about with the family

778
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,159
um did did barney

779
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,600
this has been talked about a lot i'm

780
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:27,120
going to ask you these questions you

781
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,519
know

782
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,320
in a direct sense did barney start to

783
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:31,760
have

784
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,039
um uh memories of the

785
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,559
other stuff that happened aboard the

786
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,399
craft or was

787
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:41,440
all of that later in the

788
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,880
in the sessions all of that was

789
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:47,919
under hypnosis barney uh had

790
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:50,240
some conscious recall both betty and

791
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,120
barney

792
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
of finding themselves on a dirt road

793
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:55,840
with tall trees all around

794
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,279
they remembered a roadblock

795
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,799
they didn't know where or when it

796
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,039
occurred they remembered a

797
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,240
fiery orb a huge red red-orange orb

798
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,879
sitting on the ground

799
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,159
and that was their conscious recall

800
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,720
after barney had seen the figures and

801
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,159
felt that he was going to be

802
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:19,760
captured so yeah that's what

803
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:23,440
they remembered and then uh as

804
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,879
before barney started to see dr benjamin

805
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,839
simon

806
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,200
uh he uh was

807
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:34,320
at my childhood home and then we were

808
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:35,200
just trying to

809
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:38,960
help him to remember they had gone to

810
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:42,159
a psychiatrist wanting hypnosis earlier

811
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,040
than that

812
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,520
and he said that he didn't want to do it

813
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,639
then

814
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:49,679
because their memories would return

815
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,720
over time so some of those memories did

816
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,839
return

817
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,960
barney remembered in

818
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,000
a great release of emotion in my

819
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,000
childhood dining room

820
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,680
that these

821
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:08,079
non-human entities the ones he had seen

822
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,200
on the craft

823
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:12,400
were standing in the road and how

824
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,160
they walked differently from humans uh

825
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,800
kind of like they had sea legs in a

826
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:19,599
sense

827
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,640
and one of them was carrying a light

828
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,760
he knew that so

829
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:28,960
they did remember some things before

830
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,400
they underwent hypnosis when

831
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:36,160
you uh and like myself and anybody

832
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,630
know about the great amount of stress

833
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:45,920
and

834
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,599
from a you know a grown man an adult

835
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:56,720
in but then there is the

836
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,079
uncle barney that you knew

837
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,160
right and you're listening to the

838
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,240
contrast of this

839
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,040
uh when you first heard those tapes how

840
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,200
did you feel

841
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:12,320
i wept when when i first

842
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,839
listened to uh barney uh

843
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:18,960
being so fearful and uh the

844
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,480
the reason for that is that he did not

845
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:26,160
want to go on to remember

846
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,400
uh what he had lost his memory for

847
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,440
and dr simon pushed him

848
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:36,400
and forced him to go on and barney was

849
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:36,800
saying

850
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,320
please dr simon don't make me and

851
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,440
dr simon said uh it's

852
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,480
over now it's in the past you will

853
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,760
remember

854
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:50,480
and that is when barney had this ab

855
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:51,440
reaction

856
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,440
it was the first major release of

857
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,720
emotion that he had had under hypnosis

858
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:01,119
and the only one

859
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:06,480
now after the sessions

860
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,680
how did he change was he a different

861
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,430
after the hypnosis sessions he was more

862
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,839
back to being the old barney that we

863
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:18,880
knew

864
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:22,720
uh he uh was

865
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,240
much more relaxed right he was willing

866
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:27,200
to

867
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:34,240
what he remembered uh he

868
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,079
he was kind of looking at this

869
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:38,400
intellectually

870
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:42,880
barney was a highly intelligent iq 140

871
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,040
and he was in sort of

872
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,079
introverted in a way although he was

873
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:51,680
very gregarious

874
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,440
he always thought about what he was

875
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:56,800
going to say

876
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:00,480
before he said it and he uh

877
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,359
was was very rational and

878
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,320
just formed every all of his words

879
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,599
perfectly

880
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,480
with not too many words betty was just

881
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,160
the opposite

882
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,280
of barney she didn't think

883
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,000
for a long time before she spoke and she

884
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:21,760
was very descriptive

885
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:24,960
in everything she said so

886
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,480
completely different descriptive

887
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,160
styles and speech styles that's what i

888
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,320
discovered when i was doing the

889
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,200
comparative analysis of their statements

890
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:40,560
under hypnosis and how did she how did

891
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:40,960
she

892
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,920
change uh you know because we have the

893
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:45,359
same situations

894
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,800
uh uh happening with betty

895
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,400
that we had with barney we had the

896
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,320
before we had the middle

897
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:55,200
uh we have uh the sessions that went

898
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,599
down

899
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,079
we have the press we have the media uh

900
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,160
we have jobs we have

901
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,920
they are you know going through the

902
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,920
exact same things

903
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,720
um how did betty change uh over the

904
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:08,640
years

905
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,400
well betty to begin with as a social

906
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,359
worker was a

907
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,079
fearless woman let me give you an

908
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:17,440
example

909
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,720
she worked in child welfare at that

910
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:22,240
particular time

911
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,240
and she had a foster child in one of the

912
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,480
homes that she was in charge of

913
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:31,760
and the girl had run away and was holed

914
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,160
up

915
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:35,040
in a motel with her boyfriend who had

916
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:35,920
escaped from

917
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,280
prison and betty was called in by the

918
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,560
police

919
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,680
because she was the social worker and

920
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,960
the police were there outside this motel

921
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:47,680
room

922
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:52,560
guns drawn and betty over the bullhorn

923
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,320
said to the girl i'm tired of

924
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,119
standing here waiting for you get

925
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,160
dressed and get out here now

926
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,440
and in a few minutes the girl came out

927
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,599
of the hotel room motel room

928
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,000
and betty put her in her car and took

929
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,079
her back to the foster home

930
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,079
but you know betty that's just an

931
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:16,400
example of how fearless betty was she

932
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:17,119
was

933
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,280
fearless to marry a black man in 1960

934
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,480
she was

935
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:27,520
highly intelligent curious

936
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,040
uh she was an experimenter she

937
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:34,480
wasn't afraid of people she talked to

938
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:39,040
many people from the military and

939
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:42,880
so she i think that

940
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:46,960
after this was made public

941
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,829
just wanted to talk about it wanted to

942
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,720
talk about

943
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,760
what happened to her and how unusual

944
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,040
this was and

945
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,240
try to gain an understanding of it and

946
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:05,520
she did have military people

947
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:15,349
verified to her that yes this event did

948
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,040
is real we know about uh these

949
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,079
extraterrestrial craft or

950
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,520
that's what we assume they are at least

951
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:28,800
and so she went on

952
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:32,319
becoming even stronger i think as time

953
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,040
went on

954
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,079
she also had a great sense of humor

955
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,359
and uh there is

956
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,240
the same recall situations when we're

957
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:44,560
talking about barney

958
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:48,880
betty um for me went through

959
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,040
some technical uh uh

960
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,000
astronomical we'll get to all of that in

961
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,280
in in a bit

962
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,480
but she had recall

963
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,119
and was able to draw she sculpted right

964
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:04,720
and did a few things

965
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,280
and and uh and that part for me

966
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:12,480
was amazing but it was

967
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:16,480
also something that was not discovered

968
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:16,800
yet

969
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:21,839
wasn't something that you could look up

970
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,560
but yet she's documenting this for the

971
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,359
first time

972
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,440
and when you go and you confirm this you

973
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,839
know five years later six years later

974
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:31,119
seven years later

975
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,119
uh 1968 69 70 70 172

976
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,400
when these uh celestial bodies

977
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,800
were starting to get confirmed you go

978
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:41,760
back to

979
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,280
and i'm so thankful of betty's sessions

980
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,319
and the way she was able to recall all

981
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,079
of the scientific data

982
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,680
it was remarkable wasn't it it really

983
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:54,319
was

984
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:00,640
she had finished with her

985
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,000
examination and she was left

986
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,839
alone with the one that she called the

987
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,560
leader i always call them the escorts

988
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,359
today

989
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,720
the examiner had gone to examine barney

990
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:15,599
and so she had lost her fear of him

991
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,160
because

992
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,520
he had taken away her pain that occurred

993
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,960
during her physical exam right when a

994
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:25,280
needle was placed in her navel

995
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:29,119
and so she said to him i know you're not

996
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,079
from around

997
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,280
here where is your home port

998
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,920
and so he produced this sort of

999
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,079
three-dimensional star map

1000
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:40,720
and there were two very large stars

1001
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,280
about this

1002
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,119
one about the size of a nickel of the

1003
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,480
other a quarter

1004
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:47,359
in the foreground with five lines

1005
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,240
between them

1006
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:51,200
indicating trade routes and then there

1007
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,839
were three

1008
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,640
others with two lines and then there was

1009
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:55,920
another one

1010
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,040
with three solid lines and then

1011
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,200
there were several others that had

1012
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:03,599
dotted lines connecting them

1013
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:07,040
and uh so these were

1014
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,720
expeditions and there were others

1015
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,240
without lines

1016
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:13,520
so dr simon said to betty uh

1017
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,359
if you can remember this accurately

1018
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:20,240
and it doesn't bother you too much go

1019
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,640
home

1020
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,760
and over the next week or two sketch

1021
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,599
this map that you saw

1022
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,240
and so she did she went home she did

1023
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,079
have a photographic memory

1024
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:33,520
when she was younger which was very

1025
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:37,680
uh good for her useful yes yes

1026
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,200
very useful so she sketched it

1027
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:43,520
and it was published in the interrupted

1028
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:44,480
journey it's

1029
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,800
also encaptured and marjorie fish

1030
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:52,079
a brilliant woman from ohio member of

1031
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,400
mensah saw it in the interrupted journey

1032
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,800
she was an amateur astronomer she was a

1033
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,560
teacher right she was a teacher

1034
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,960
yeah she she started out as a teacher

1035
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,079
she went to work

1036
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,160
at the nuclear laboratories oak ridge

1037
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:10,640
nuclear laboratories after

1038
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:14,319
later on after she did the star map work

1039
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,160
but she started to build three

1040
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,800
three-dimensional

1041
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,359
models she had to go to the university

1042
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,560
there were no

1043
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,680
photocopying machines no computers

1044
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,920
and so she had just couldn't take the

1045
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:30,400
catalogs out she had to sit

1046
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,160
and copy all of the characteristics

1047
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,520
and distance data that we had back in

1048
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,000
those early days

1049
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,960
in the astronomical catalogs then she

1050
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,240
took all that data

1051
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,640
back to her house and started building

1052
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,560
three-dimensional models

1053
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:51,920
in frames she used monofilament line and

1054
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:55,119
beads of different colors and sizes and

1055
00:46:10,630 --> 00:45:55,440
i

1056
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,640
but she was a craftsperson yes they were

1057
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:11,920
incredible

1058
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:15,599
her patience to

1059
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,880
do this for four to five years and still

1060
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,240
not have a match

1061
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,160
she was building models 54 light years

1062
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,720
out from our sun in all directions and

1063
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:27,440
let's get to

1064
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,359
what year did she start building the

1065
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:35,200
star map

1066
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:39,160
it was about six 1967

1067
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:44,160
1968. i met her in 1968.

1068
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,319
68 and the star map was drawn in 65

1069
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:51,599
the book came out in 66 yes

1070
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:54,720
right see my memory's not that bad it's

1071
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:55,119
not

1072
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:02,400
you're doing very well jimmy but uh so

1073
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:02,960
back to

1074
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:10,400
uh my recollection is that

1075
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:13,599
marjorie as she's compiling

1076
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,319
the star map has her revelation

1077
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,680
and and that took a while too to get

1078
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,440
released didn't it it just didn't come

1079
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,880
out right away

1080
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:26,720
it did take a while she had already

1081
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,920
built 14 models without a match

1082
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,319
and then she went to the university and

1083
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,880
there was a new gliese catalog

1084
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,680
that had just been released with updated

1085
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,119
distance data

1086
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,640
and so she went back and uh she

1087
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,040
arranged rearranged things in one of

1088
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:47,119
those models

1089
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,119
so uh it was now accurate with distance

1090
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,000
data

1091
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,480
there were three stars on that model now

1092
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,240
that hadn't been there

1093
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,640
they were considered to be more than 54

1094
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,640
light years away

1095
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,000
and so she did this

1096
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:07,359
and she had a match for betty's map

1097
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,359
now um i want everybody to understand

1098
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,640
uh something here and it's just as

1099
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:16,960
unbelievable as it gets

1100
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,720
but you have to go back to 1966 65

1101
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,960
and and prior to that there were no

1102
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,640
satellites

1103
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:27,359
we didn't know what was behind the sun

1104
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:27,760
we

1105
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,280
hadn't gone out and observed um

1106
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,800
this hardcore scientific data

1107
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:37,839
didn't start to reveal itself until

1108
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:42,800
67 68 69 70 71 72

1109
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,839
the encounter with betty and barney was

1110
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:49,520
1961. the hypnosis

1111
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,800
sessions went down in 1965. am i correct

1112
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:54,880
on these dates

1113
00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:58,960
yes the the hypnosis was finished in 64.

1114
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,280
64. okay but all of this scientific data

1115
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:06,640
didn't come out until much much

1116
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:09,920
later there was no way that

1117
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:13,440
betty hill could have known about

1118
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,440
this binary star system there isn't

1119
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,800
there isn't it's in the southern

1120
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,200
hemisphere so and it's very

1121
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,960
uh dim even in the southern hemisphere

1122
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,839
she hadn't studied astronomy in college

1123
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,319
and

1124
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,400
you know so she couldn't have known

1125
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:31,440
about this

1126
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,000
star system zeta reticuli the net

1127
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:39,200
um so it was remarkable it was

1128
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:42,880
absolutely astoundingly remarkable

1129
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,630
it's funny how we were talking about

1130
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:50,079
barney in the beginning

1131
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:54,559
and and his sessions and and and

1132
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:57,680
what was revealed with betty

1133
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,280
for me was was the game changer it was

1134
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,599
it was just absolutely incredible how

1135
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:05,760
did the scientific community

1136
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:09,359
uh start to respond to marjorie fish's

1137
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:12,640
star map and the conv the confirmation

1138
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,160
of betty's hand-drawn star map

1139
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,480
well this involves stanton friedman

1140
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,359
because marjorie was having difficulty

1141
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,680
uh drawing interest from the scientific

1142
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,800
community

1143
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,119
so coral lorenzen who was the

1144
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,960
co-director of the

1145
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,920
of apro the aerial phenomena research

1146
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,280
organization

1147
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,720
got in touch with stanton friedman and

1148
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,280
stan had begun to travel and speak in

1149
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,640
that time frame

1150
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:43,040
and she said if you happen to be

1151
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:43,680
speaking

1152
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:47,760
in ohio please meet with marjorie fish

1153
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:51,200
so he did and stanton told me that he

1154
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,000
was very

1155
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,319
impressed with marjorie at how

1156
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,000
meticulous she was

1157
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,480
how scientific in her work how

1158
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,160
intelligent he said

1159
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,480
that she was more comfortable speaking

1160
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,400
with scientists than with people in the

1161
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,000
general public

1162
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,040
and so stanton agreed to find scientists

1163
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,960
to vet marjorie's work

1164
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,599
alan heineck was one of those and he

1165
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,040
said that marjorie's

1166
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:18,000
work was accurate there were two others

1167
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:18,720
as well

1168
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,160
one was david saunders from the condon

1169
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:23,839
committee one of the

1170
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:27,119
had investigators who was a statistician

1171
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,800
and another one was the head of

1172
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,760
the astronomy department at ohio state

1173
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,800
university

1174
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,119
and by then there was that there were

1175
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:38,160
computers

1176
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:42,079
so his students did a computer generated

1177
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,880
model

1178
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,920
and agreed that marjorie's work was

1179
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:52,549
how bad how much do you miss stanton

1180
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,680
oh i miss him i miss him um

1181
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,000
earlier today i didn't want to post it

1182
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,240
but maybe i will later but i have

1183
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,720
some of my uh most uh favorite

1184
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,440
photographs are of the three of us

1185
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,119
together that we've taken over the years

1186
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,559
we've done it so many

1187
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:11,119
different times at different events but

1188
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:11,760
uh

1189
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,720
man i miss that guy i just miss him i

1190
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,200
miss him i miss him i do a good stanton

1191
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,880
friedman but i'm not gonna do it on the

1192
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:20,319
air

1193
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:24,559
um uh but so uh stanton

1194
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,630
you've known him for a long time but

1195
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,079
then you guys got back

1196
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,119
together uh

1197
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,119
how many years ago now has it been about

1198
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:38,960
five

1199
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,040
well we uh i approached him

1200
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,760
and asked him if he would be interesting

1201
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:46,640
interested in

1202
00:52:56,589 --> 00:52:50,720
contributing to captured back in

1203
00:53:03,190 --> 00:52:59,150
2005 i think it was

1204
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,200
2005. but but um

1205
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,400
what i was referring to is is is is

1206
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,480
uh the the research that you guys

1207
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:09,680
started to get

1208
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:12,800
so serious about uh did that kick off

1209
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,079
uh for captured in 2015

1210
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,680
when i was speaking with you at

1211
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,920
conferences

1212
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,640
and even stanton were together i had

1213
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,839
been

1214
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,960
attempting to interest scientists and

1215
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,079
doing research

1216
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:34,079
all along and and some of it had been

1217
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,079
done our first book was published in

1218
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:39,040
2007

1219
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:43,599
and then stanton and i went on to

1220
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,640
write two additional books uh science

1221
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,800
was wrong in fact fiction and flying

1222
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:51,520
saucers right right so we were working

1223
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:52,160
together

1224
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:57,280
starting in about 2008 at conferences

1225
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,880
the uh his contribution to

1226
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:03,599
the betty and barney hill case his

1227
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:04,480
interest

1228
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,079
was was there from 1968 right 1969.

1229
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,119
yes his interest was there early on and

1230
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,040
he was the first to publish

1231
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,400
on the star map he ended up

1232
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,800
writing the script for a film a

1233
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,359
documentary film

1234
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,440
where he interviewed marjorie he

1235
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,800
interviewed betty

1236
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,079
he interviewed uh walter mitchell the

1237
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,520
the astronomy professor alan heineck i

1238
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:34,400
believe

1239
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,920
uh so he did that as well he had met

1240
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,359
betty and barney

1241
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,240
uh only a couple of months before

1242
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:43,760
barney's death

1243
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:46,960
uh in 1969

1244
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,000
and was very impressed with them uh he

1245
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:53,680
they were in uh oh

1246
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,390
hmm i think it was around that time

1247
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:05,599
in ohio or indiana it was i've

1248
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,040
my memory i'm tired i'm sorry

1249
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:12,160
but uh anyway um

1250
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,400
he had knew a radio show host and

1251
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,200
betty and barney were on that show and

1252
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,440
the the host knew stanton so well he

1253
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:23,359
told stanton where betty and barney were

1254
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,240
staying

1255
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,280
he called stan up and so he met

1256
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:29,040
betty and barney for dinner and

1257
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,400
interviewed them

1258
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:33,440
before barney's death and

1259
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:36,640
then just continued this work with

1260
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,920
uh learning more from betty they would

1261
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,079
see one another at conferences when

1262
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,760
betty would speak

1263
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:47,040
and uh i met stanton for the first time

1264
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:47,760
i think it was

1265
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:51,280
back in 1970

1266
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,880
one wow or 72

1267
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,359
at the university of new hampshire so i

1268
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,520
had known him for a long time

1269
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,200
now uh before we head to a break

1270
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,119
i want to tell we talked about the star

1271
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:06,960
map i want to talk about the

1272
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:10,319
the sculpture and

1273
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,400
um betty created a bust

1274
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,920
of uh i would say

1275
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,799
what's like the first version of of a

1276
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,400
gray

1277
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,680
and i don't know if prior to that

1278
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,920
it's certainly with everything that i've

1279
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,040
read over the years

1280
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:31,599
and have seen in my research i don't

1281
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,200
know if there was anything prior to that

1282
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,920
uh not that i'm aware of and i've done

1283
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,040
research

1284
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,400
on that people had uh of course been

1285
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,680
abducted by the grays but they had their

1286
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,240
cases hadn't been investigated

1287
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,920
so uh betty and marjory fish

1288
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:54,960
marjorie was visiting and they used uh

1289
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:58,079
chicken wire and and a balloon

1290
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,400
and they each sculpted a gray

1291
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,920
and uh did you see it as as

1292
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,640
did you see the original bust oh

1293
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:09,520
absolutely

1294
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,200
and and what did you think it's it's

1295
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,559
frightening looking

1296
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:17,040
to me i mean i don't frightening's not

1297
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,760
the worst

1298
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,680
no no no no frightening is not the word

1299
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,839
realistic is the word

1300
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,480
uh that that's that's where i'm going

1301
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:25,440
yes it was

1302
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,720
realistic looking and uh

1303
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:31,280
i thought that they did a very good job

1304
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,559
sculpting it

1305
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,599
and it was interesting it was

1306
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:38,000
you know it was different from humans

1307
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,799
but not

1308
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,040
that much different it didn't have any

1309
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:44,880
hair and the skin color was grayish

1310
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,119
it had yellow whites for eyes

1311
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,720
and the eyes glowed in the dark

1312
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,720
not on betty's sculpture but that was

1313
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,720
just coming to my mind

1314
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,920
and uh you know just

1315
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,319
a slit for a mouth but there was a

1316
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:03,920
membrane inside that

1317
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,040
mouth that betty and barney saw right

1318
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,920
that fluttered and you know just a small

1319
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:10,480
nose

1320
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:14,079
uh no external ear now

1321
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:17,599
the the uh the sculpture

1322
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:20,720
was that the examiner

1323
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,400
and were there more than one type of e.t

1324
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,079
on the craft

1325
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:28,559
the sculpture was of the leader the

1326
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:29,200
leader

1327
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,559
the one that betty liked so much and

1328
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,880
uh there were two different types of

1329
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:36,480
entities on the craft

1330
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:40,480
in size the the small ones that we know

1331
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:41,280
today

1332
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,720
are the guards and the assistants they

1333
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:46,319
make sure that you don't get off the

1334
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:49,119
craft with anything that belongs to them

1335
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,640
well that was one group the small ones

1336
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:53,599
and they

1337
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:57,280
waited in the hallway betty told me how

1338
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:01,839
frightened she was of this one

1339
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:05,040
had larger in proportion to its body

1340
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:08,640
than the taller grays and

1341
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,040
he was just staring in to that room

1342
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,319
and and betty kept her eyes

1343
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,200
closed a lot she told me because she

1344
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:21,680
didn't want to look at him

1345
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:24,880
she didn't mind looking at the examiner

1346
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:27,920
and the leader because they were taller

1347
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:30,880
grays five to five and a half feet tall

1348
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:34,000
and heads smaller in proportion to their

1349
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:34,960
bodies

1350
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:38,480
they look very asian to her only

1351
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:43,680
different uh as well larger eyes

1352
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,160
you know smaller nose asian kind of nose

1353
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,440
and you know so she wasn't as frightened

1354
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,079
of them at all in the end and we're

1355
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,680
going to take a break right here and

1356
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:57,520
when i say in the end after all

1357
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:01,119
of you know the book and and and

1358
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:04,640
did they do they have an overall

1359
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:08,319
negative take on this was there a reason

1360
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:08,880
for

1361
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,309
no um these entities

1362
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,640
assured betty and barney over and over

1363
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,040
again that they would not harm them

1364
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:23,280
that they only needed to do a few simple

1365
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,400
tests

1366
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,760
that uh they would

1367
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,240
be released to go along their way after

1368
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,240
the tests were completed

1369
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,359
uh and as they took

1370
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,359
barney out and put him into the car

1371
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:39,280
first but when they took

1372
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:42,480
betty out the leader apologized

1373
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,440
to her for frightening her and that's

1374
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,880
when she asked him

1375
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,040
if he could come back that she would

1376
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,200
like to arrange

1377
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:53,760
a meeting with people who are more

1378
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:54,640
knowledgeable

1379
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,920
than she was and he said well maybe i

1380
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:58,799
can come back

1381
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,839
i'm not certain and she said well if you

1382
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,440
can come back how will you

1383
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:06,319
find me out of all of the people on this

1384
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,280
planet how we

1385
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:10,319
will you find me and he said we can

1386
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,960
always

1387
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,680
find those that we are looking for let's

1388
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,599
take our break right here this is fade

1389
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,319
to black i

1390
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,640
am your host jimmy church tonight

1391
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:19,760
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1392
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,240
martin this is fade to black i'm yours

1393
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,240
jimmy church we will be right back this

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01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:25,760
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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:26,480
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01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:39,010
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01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:50,630
way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,760
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you are listening to fade to black with

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01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,630
oh hi i'm reese vance you're listening

1472
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:22,480
to jimmy church this is

1473
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:25,440
revolution the revolution will not be

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01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:26,400
televised

1475
01:05:34,839 --> 01:05:40,430
ciao

1476
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:02,990
[Music]

1477
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,280
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

1478
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:17,680
jimmy church tonight kathleen martin is

1479
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:18,720
with us

1480
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:22,000
it is the 60th anniversary of the betty

1481
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:22,880
and barney hill

1482
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:27,520
abduction and i want to change gears

1483
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,119
and it's uh it's another impor

1484
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:33,839
important part of this entire story and

1485
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:34,559
that is

1486
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,670
you are out there speaking to other

1487
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:46,720
experiencers

1488
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:50,000
and you've had a a life of

1489
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:53,839
uh contact i remember

1490
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,640
um oh it was a couple of years ago

1491
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,960
and you were on with us and you were uh

1492
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,000
telling me about

1493
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:04,079
i don't wanna uh we can go into the

1494
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,119
details

1495
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,440
but you had a missing time experience

1496
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:09,680
just driving home from a conference one

1497
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:10,720
night

1498
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,799
and uh this is this is something that uh

1499
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,960
uh i want to know if you think it's

1500
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,240
connected

1501
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,440
back to your aunt and uncle

1502
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,559
i know it is connected jimmy uh because

1503
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,400
my aunt betty was doing

1504
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,640
ce5 experiments with a team of

1505
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:29,920
scientists

1506
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:33,280
in the mid 60s and attempting to have

1507
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,319
bring a craft

1508
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,280
in to land on my grandparents farm i

1509
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,119
grew up across the street from my

1510
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,280
grandparents and a craft did come in

1511
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,839
it landed within 200 feet of my

1512
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,039
childhood home

1513
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,039
it left physical trace evidence on the

1514
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:49,920
ground it was observed by two

1515
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,640
different people one was a commercial

1516
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,559
pilot returning home from work the other

1517
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:56,000
was my grandmother

1518
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:59,359
out her bedroom window and i think that

1519
01:08:03,349 --> 01:07:59,680
that

1520
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:03,359
is probably the time when

1521
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:07,440
my mother and i were taken to craft

1522
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,799
i think that maybe these non-humans

1523
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,520
thought that betty had invited them to

1524
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,039
meet the family

1525
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,239
or you know i i know now from

1526
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,400
the three major research studies that

1527
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:21,759
i've worked on

1528
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:25,440
that of about 5 000 experiencers at this

1529
01:08:29,149 --> 01:08:26,400
point

1530
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,159
that uh it is generational and

1531
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,640
intergenerational

1532
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:33,600
so uh i could have been taken before

1533
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,239
that

1534
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:37,520
i'm not certain my mother

1535
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:40,239
had an experience where she went grocery

1536
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,040
shopping

1537
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,400
every friday night like clockwork

1538
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,880
and she would always arrive home at the

1539
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,400
same time

1540
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:51,359
but on one night she just didn't come

1541
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:52,480
home

1542
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,080
and my father and my brothers and i were

1543
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,120
worried about her we couldn't sleep and

1544
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:01,279
finally she arrived home and didn't

1545
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:02,239
realize

1546
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:05,520
that she was late and she came into the

1547
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,319
house

1548
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:08,719
they unloaded the groceries and the

1549
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:09,440
frozen

1550
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:12,799
food was thawed the the ice cream was

1551
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:13,920
soup

1552
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:17,120
she had she was missing for uh quite

1553
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,040
a period of time with no explanation

1554
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,920
and we were just told oh we'll just

1555
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:25,199
forget about it

1556
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,799
and never speak about this and so i

1557
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:31,440
never did until fairly recently

1558
01:09:37,469 --> 01:09:34,560
after my mother died

1559
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,479
what you can't re-freeze ice cream

1560
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:39,520
[Laughter]

1561
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:42,960
can't re-freeze ice cream and uh

1562
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,560
um with your experiences

1563
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:49,920
and what you uh knew and know

1564
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:53,359
about uh betty and barney were there

1565
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:55,120
similarities

1566
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:58,480
the uniforms the craft the the things uh

1567
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:01,840
oh yes they looked they looked the same

1568
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:02,560
jimmy

1569
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,120
and uh they actually communicated to me

1570
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:09,440
what they were doing they they took a

1571
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:10,480
flesh sample

1572
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,000
from me and they told me

1573
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:17,120
that it was ch to check my body

1574
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,400
for the levels of toxicity and

1575
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:23,520
i know now i didn't understand it then

1576
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:27,120
but i know now why and that is

1577
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:30,320
i grew up less than a mile away from

1578
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:30,719
what

1579
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,040
later became a superfund site that was

1580
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,480
leaching uh neurotoxins and all sorts of

1581
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:39,760
carcinogens

1582
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:43,520
into the water i was grew up near a

1583
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,239
nuclear

1584
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,360
base that was in newington new hampshire

1585
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,840
uh right next to portsmouth and then

1586
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,920
there was the portsmouth naval shipyard

1587
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,800
right across

1588
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:55,760
the river from portsmouth and they were

1589
01:11:03,430 --> 01:10:59,199
building nuclear submarines

1590
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:03,440
and um uh how often

1591
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,480
do you think you were making contact

1592
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,800
with with with betty and barney we have

1593
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:12,800
the event in 1961.

1594
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,040
uh with you it has been ongoing

1595
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,560
well it with betty it was ongoing too

1596
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:21,840
but she

1597
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,040
was so criticized that she would never

1598
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:28,159
uh state that publicly right right

1599
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:31,920
but uh so when i was

1600
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:35,199
younger um there were it was

1601
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:38,480
maybe once every six months i had one

1602
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:39,520
period

1603
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:43,360
where it was fairly frequent maybe

1604
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:46,480
once a month for about three months and

1605
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:47,360
then

1606
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:50,719
as i have grown older it became

1607
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:54,400
less frequent and i'm at the stage

1608
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:57,520
now where i can feel a presence

1609
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:00,640
that i can't see you know

1610
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:09,110
wide right and i can but i can feel

1611
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,640
the strong electrical tingling sensation

1612
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:15,840
and receive telepathic information

1613
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:19,760
now um i've been talking all week

1614
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:23,520
all month if not all year

1615
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,560
about experiencers

1616
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,600
and where we are today with

1617
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,679
you know at this stage of disclosure

1618
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:34,080
we'll talk more about that in just a bit

1619
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,229
phenomenon is experiencers

1620
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:49,199
and we need to hear more from them and

1621
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:49,600
i'm

1622
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:53,280
starting to feel that the experiencers

1623
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,760
are

1624
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:56,080
able to come forward now and start to

1625
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,960
speak

1626
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,199
and and people are here to listen do you

1627
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,000
feel the same way

1628
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,320
i do believe that many of them are now

1629
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:06,560
coming forward especially those who are

1630
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,760
older and uh have nothing to lose their

1631
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,320
reach and

1632
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:12,880
they can speak about this i've been

1633
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,840
speaking to them for years and i set up

1634
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,640
the experience research team just

1635
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,400
recently changed to the experience a

1636
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:21,600
resource team

1637
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:25,679
at mufon and we received

1638
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,880
oh about 75

1639
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:31,360
reports every month from people who want

1640
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,080
contact

1641
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,360
with the 50 members of our team

1642
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,760
who speak with experiencers on a

1643
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:39,600
day-to-day basis

1644
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,040
it's also on facebook there are

1645
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:46,320
all kinds of groups for experiencers

1646
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,040
where

1647
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:50,480
they can discuss information with one

1648
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,520
another

1649
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,679
so and a lot of people are writing books

1650
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:56,159
now experiencers are writing about their

1651
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:00,320
own experiences so i think a lot

1652
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:03,520
uh less likely to

1653
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:07,199
receive the kind of ridicule that betty

1654
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,239
and barney

1655
01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:11,040
and travis walton and so many other

1656
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:12,280
credible

1657
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:15,920
experiencers received um

1658
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,800
i ask everybody the same question i'm

1659
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:21,199
i'm gonna ask you right now

1660
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,520
what is your definition of experiencer

1661
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,960
there are so many people out there that

1662
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:29,120
have you know

1663
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,120
contact or they see things that but

1664
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,159
what is an experiencer because

1665
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:39,360
i don't know if i am one i wanna i wanna

1666
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,679
be

1667
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,239
called an experiencer but i don't know

1668
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:44,719
if i

1669
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,040
um what's the definition

1670
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:53,679
well john mack came up with that term so

1671
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:57,280
we had contactees and we had abductees

1672
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,600
and so there was kind of a

1673
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,320
disagreement about what everyone should

1674
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:05,760
be called should

1675
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,199
everyone be a contactee and the abductee

1676
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:11,600
said no i'm not a contactee

1677
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:14,320
the same went for the contactees they're

1678
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,640
not

1679
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,040
abdo john mack came up with the word

1680
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,960
experience or meaning

1681
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:21,360
that they could be a contactee or they

1682
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:22,080
could be an

1683
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:26,400
abductee but this kind of a generic

1684
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,679
term uh to describe

1685
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,760
that they who they are that they have

1686
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,480
had contact with non-human

1687
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,840
entities that they believe are

1688
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,080
extraterrestrials

1689
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:40,719
do i have to be abducted to be an

1690
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:43,520
experiencer

1691
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:47,679
you don't have to be abducted uh as such

1692
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,080
you could have a non-human entity

1693
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,120
come into your home um

1694
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,239
being healed today

1695
01:16:01,669 --> 01:16:00,239
the people who are older and beginning

1696
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:01,679
to develop

1697
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:16,709
fewer and fewer are being taken to

1698
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:20,480
craft and we are beginning to wonder

1699
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,360
if the uh genetic studies the

1700
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:25,600
reproductive part of all of this

1701
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:29,760
uh has come to an end because we receive

1702
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:32,480
almost no reports of that now yeah it's

1703
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:34,719
very strange um

1704
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:37,600
okay so next because everything overlaps

1705
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:38,239
right

1706
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,040
is a contactee an experiencer

1707
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:46,400
yes yes right yes almost

1708
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:51,440
a circle or a square can be a rectangle

1709
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,199
right and uh

1710
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,480
um so with uh with all of this

1711
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,800
where and i had ivonne smith on the show

1712
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:02,960
earlier this week and she's great

1713
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,000
and i had asked her uh

1714
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:08,159
if i could attend a zero meeting i'm

1715
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:11,199
like i wanna i wanna come hang out

1716
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,239
jimmy are you an experiencer right she's

1717
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,560
vetting me

1718
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:19,760
on the show but it's so i'm not so

1719
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,080
sure that i if i'm qualified

1720
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:27,199
to go to one of those group sessions and

1721
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,080
sit down and

1722
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,440
and have a conversation with everybody

1723
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,880
do you understand where i'm going with

1724
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,719
this well

1725
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:37,920
are you an experienced if you're not

1726
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:41,440
then uh no yeah if

1727
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:45,040
if i'm out with a group of friends

1728
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,360
and we see something crazy in the sky

1729
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:51,679
that's not an experience you're just a

1730
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:52,640
witness

1731
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,640
a light in the sky or

1732
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:59,520
an unconventional craft in the sky now

1733
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:00,080
you have to

1734
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,840
have contact with non-humans so i'm out

1735
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,760
i'm out of the car i'm out of the car at

1736
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:07,360
this point at least that

1737
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:10,400
that i know of let's let's go there

1738
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:13,920
now um somebody posted the other night

1739
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:26,390
how

1740
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:36,480
be an experiencer you have to have had

1741
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:37,360
contact

1742
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,110
with obama group down there where

1743
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:54,239
they are seeing craft rise up out of the

1744
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:55,600
ocean and come over

1745
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:58,960
and and communicate and

1746
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:01,840
and see you can see the non-human

1747
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,880
entities

1748
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:05,040
there have been many witnesses to that

1749
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,600
there's also up at mount shasta

1750
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:10,560
where some people have observed

1751
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,280
non-human

1752
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:14,400
entities as well

1753
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:17,920
so i mean but that that

1754
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:21,199
that is more of a contact experience

1755
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:24,480
because you can

1756
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:27,040
receive some information but you're not

1757
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:29,199
going to be part of a genetic

1758
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,480
program and uh and

1759
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:35,679
what about contacting a group of course

1760
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,159
there

1761
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,280
is what you're doing over at mufon

1762
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,760
what would you suggest to somebody

1763
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:43,040
that's listening to this

1764
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:46,400
that hasn't you know hasn't approached

1765
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,520
anything yet

1766
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:49,120
and they're wondering what they should

1767
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:56,550
i would say be careful what you wish for

1768
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:00,880
because if you try to call in

1769
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:04,800
entities there are

1770
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:08,000
negative inter-dimensionals who are just

1771
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:09,120
dying

1772
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:12,320
to hook

1773
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,870
to feast on that human's emotions and

1774
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:19,920
they will

1775
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:23,199
cause you to experience pain

1776
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:26,320
they will uh feed off your

1777
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,080
fear off your loathing and uh

1778
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:32,000
they are real i can tell you they're

1779
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,360
real because i

1780
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,440
accidentally picked one up and had to

1781
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:37,360
have it removed

1782
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:41,520
when i was uh investigating a case

1783
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:44,880
that i was so curious about that i went

1784
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:48,639
beyond this man was having

1785
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:52,000
uh experiences with the type of

1786
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:53,600
reptilian entities

1787
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,480
that live under the ground and they were

1788
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,000
doing horrible things

1789
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,040
to humans and uh

1790
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:03,920
all of a sudden i just felt all of the

1791
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:06,159
like goodness the tingling just

1792
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,280
left my body and it was like i became

1793
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:11,600
depressed in a sense immediately and

1794
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:15,679
i've never suffered from depression but

1795
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,120
then i started to have

1796
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,760
sleep disorder disturbances i wasn't

1797
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:23,600
able to sleep well i'd wake up during

1798
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:24,400
the night

1799
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:28,000
i hadn't had that before i my body was

1800
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:35,510
i started to use

1801
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:39,679
bad language that i hadn't used before

1802
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,800
and so i knew that something had

1803
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:44,800
happened to me

1804
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:48,400
and i uh

1805
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:50,040
it started speaking with me

1806
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:51,520
telepathically

1807
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:54,560
it said you're going to die

1808
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,159
soon why don't you just do it

1809
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:01,600
and it really i said finally bit of this

1810
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:02,960
i have to have

1811
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:09,790
attachment removed this was not

1812
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:11,440
extraterrestrial

1813
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:14,719
and so i went to

1814
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,480
a friend who uh speaks with

1815
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,320
telepathically with a number of

1816
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,000
different extraterrestrials

1817
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:24,800
he lives in the same town that i live in

1818
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:25,360
and

1819
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:29,040
he asked them to remove

1820
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,560
this entity i had spoken with his

1821
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:33,520
extraterrestrials before

1822
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:37,679
experimentally and uh was gone

1823
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:40,000
i have never heard you speak like a

1824
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:40,880
sailor

1825
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:43,920
um but if if i

1826
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:46,960
ever uh if i ever hear that

1827
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:50,239
i think i would be in shock for you

1828
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:54,239
to have to start coming out of you

1829
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,760
um how did that make you feel because

1830
01:23:01,110 --> 01:23:00,239
it's not in your personality i know you

1831
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,120
no

1832
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,000
it made me feel very concerned and

1833
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:05,440
embarrassed

1834
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:09,520
that i was communicating with my friends

1835
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,960
differently than i normally do

1836
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,880
that's that's how it made me feel i was

1837
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:17,280
just really concerned and i thought

1838
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,639
this is real there is something that is

1839
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:22,560
trying to attach to me

1840
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,000
that uh is influencing my behavior some

1841
01:23:31,709 --> 01:23:28,239
people call it demonic oppression

1842
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:31,719
i prefer to call it a negative

1843
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,040
entities from the astral realm

1844
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,400
and it was there i've worked with

1845
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,440
men and these men

1846
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,679
are all in their 50s when their

1847
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:45,760
experiences began

1848
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,400
and they when they close their eyes

1849
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,440
they go to this place under the ground

1850
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:54,639
where people are being

1851
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:02,390
draconian reptilians we're having

1852
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,440
horrible things

1853
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:06,719
done to them so bad that i'm not going

1854
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:14,550
um oh man

1855
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:17,679
the reasons

1856
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:20,800
um i don't know if it's your most recent

1857
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:24,719
but the experience of

1858
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,320
missing time after you left a conference

1859
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,600
who were you with i was with denise

1860
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:33,760
stoner that's right denise stoner right

1861
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:34,239
right

1862
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,360
yes and uh denise uh

1863
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,239
is now the assistant director of mufon

1864
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:41,679
in the state of florida

1865
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:44,800
back then she was the chief investigator

1866
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,920
and we had gone to a conference in saint

1867
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,280
pete my father was

1868
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:52,560
with us and

1869
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:56,080
so we left the conference and we were on

1870
01:25:03,110 --> 01:24:59,760
our way home and my gps started

1871
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:03,120
to malfunction and i ended up driving

1872
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,239
off the highway

1873
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,440
into a desolate area and i i thought

1874
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:10,080
what i stopped the car turned off the

1875
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:10,800
gps

1876
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,840
said i know the way home anyway i just

1877
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:16,000
won't use this gps

1878
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,159
so we're driving home and

1879
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,880
we're all talking and suddenly my father

1880
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:24,880
becomes silent

1881
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:28,320
and then denise and i experience the

1882
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:29,120
feeling

1883
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:32,320
that the car is going up a steep hill

1884
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:34,159
there aren't any steep hills in central

1885
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:35,920
florida

1886
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:40,480
and then things are out of sequence

1887
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,669
the time we arrived there her cell phone

1888
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,440
that had been fully charged was

1889
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:53,360
completely dead

1890
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,800
and she was wearing an insulin pump

1891
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,960
that was fully charged and that was

1892
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,800
beeping

1893
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:03,120
she called her husband and she said i

1894
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:04,239
will

1895
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:08,239
be home um i'm going to be

1896
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:12,080
a little late and uh but i'm on my way

1897
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:13,120
home

1898
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:20,159
well she also had some evidence on her

1899
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:21,679
vehicle

1900
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:25,760
their the dashboard

1901
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:29,520
had a high electromagnetic reading

1902
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,880
it was everything was malfunctioning and

1903
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:35,280
her husband had to get that fixed but

1904
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:36,400
she came over

1905
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:39,920
to my house finally and

1906
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:43,120
we used a tri-field meter so that i

1907
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:43,679
could

1908
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:46,480
just see that for myself and investigate

1909
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:47,199
it

1910
01:26:58,110 --> 01:26:55,520
stayed

1911
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,120
remained at the highest level on the

1912
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:00,159
electromagnetic field

1913
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:03,280
and so the two of us started backing up

1914
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:07,040
and we backed up at least 12 to 15

1915
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,800
feet before it dropped down and stopped

1916
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,760
buzzing

1917
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,159
so we asked my husband to do an

1918
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,320
experiment to walk

1919
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,760
up to that um slowly and

1920
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,760
find out when it started buzzing because

1921
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:23,760
if you do walk up to it quickly that

1922
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:24,880
will happen

1923
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,840
so he did and it just behaved normally

1924
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:28,960
then we tried

1925
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:32,400
one at a time and it happened for each

1926
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:35,520
of us so we think that that was probably

1927
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:36,880
related

1928
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:40,159
contact event that we had i hypnotized

1929
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,040
her

1930
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:43,520
and she remembered being taken down a

1931
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:44,480
hallway

1932
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:48,000
and she looked into a room and there was

1933
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,800
a woman

1934
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,440
sitting on a bench who was wearing the

1935
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,280
clothing that i was wearing

1936
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,400
that night and an elderly man

1937
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:59,360
who was balding was sitting next to her

1938
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:00,239
and that was

1939
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:04,560
the description of my father so

1940
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:08,000
it was brief she i guess they were

1941
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:08,960
replacing an

1942
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,080
implant and

1943
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,920
i don't know if anything further

1944
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:15,120
happened with my

1945
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,199
father and i but i was taken the

1946
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:20,800
following night

1947
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:28,390
i uh woke up when i

1948
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:31,760
bounced on the bed and my head

1949
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:35,280
hurt my back hurt i was

1950
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:39,199
not in uh i was very uncomfortable

1951
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,480
in fact i was going to

1952
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:45,040
write the experience that i had just

1953
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:46,480
remembered

1954
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:50,480
and uh i was in too much pain to do that

1955
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,000
so finally denise stoner

1956
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,159
hypnotized me and what i've discovered

1957
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:58,400
is that i was taken to

1958
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,080
craft by uh probably her entities

1959
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:05,600
not mine uh i there was a gray

1960
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:10,480
when i i they and

1961
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:13,760
i i woke up then my eyes opened

1962
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:17,600
and i saw this gray i had never seen

1963
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:18,960
before he looked almost

1964
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:22,639
robotic he had a flat

1965
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,840
face with eyes that were framed in in

1966
01:29:30,189 --> 01:29:27,199
metal

1967
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,199
and he i think he might have been

1968
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:31,840
bio-robotic

1969
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:35,280
and he uh i know that when

1970
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:38,480
he dropped me and i opened my eyes

1971
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,679
in pain the two taller ones who were

1972
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:43,440
standing down by my

1973
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:47,360
feet seemed not to be very happy

1974
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,189
he was right about that um i remember

1975
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:07,760
um speaking with you right after this

1976
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:08,480
happened

1977
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,239
and and uh you it was

1978
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,639
uh before you were on fade to black with

1979
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,239
us the last time

1980
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:18,639
but we were able to speak right after

1981
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:19,360
this event

1982
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:21,040
and and i called you up and said how you

1983
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:22,400
doing jimmy

1984
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,639
something strange happened to denise

1985
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:26,159
stoner and i

1986
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:29,679
and you had told me the whole thing and

1987
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:32,400
um i thought about your dad immediately

1988
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:39,350
do did you discuss these things with him

1989
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,679
he was elderly and he was living in my

1990
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:43,760
guest house just across the driveway

1991
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:46,800
from me he had her his meals with us and

1992
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,000
so i did

1993
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,960
i uh he came in in the morning and and i

1994
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,080
said dad

1995
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,080
i think i might have been taken last

1996
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:55,920
night and i was injured

1997
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,199
and he said i think you were too i was

1998
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,880
looking out my window and there were

1999
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:02,000
strange lights out

2000
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:05,760
there now that's where i'm going okay so

2001
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,880
um you and you and denise in your two

2002
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:09,840
sessions

2003
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:13,040
you guys didn't necessarily see a craft

2004
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:16,320
did you i didn't see a craft no

2005
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:19,360
yeah and and neither did he no but your

2006
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:19,840
dad

2007
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:22,880
apparently did he did see one

2008
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:26,239
yes and how did he describe it

2009
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:29,760
he just said that it had uh like

2010
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:32,480
bright uh multi-colored lights i think

2011
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:33,600
he said

2012
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:36,960
that uh were flashing outside his window

2013
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:38,960
and he has the shades that you can

2014
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,000
see through blinds and

2015
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:44,400
so he saw those lights and he got up and

2016
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:46,080
looked out the window

2017
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:49,120
um how old is your dad uh

2018
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:52,800
at the time that that happened he was

2019
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:56,080
about 89 years old incredible

2020
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,480
absolutely incredible yeah he passed

2021
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:00,480
away when he was 92.

2022
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:03,520
absolutely incredible um i i want to

2023
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:04,639
thank you so much

2024
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:06,800
kathleen it was a it was a very

2025
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:08,800
stressful week here

2026
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:11,600
uh for myself uh building the studio

2027
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:13,600
getting things up and running

2028
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:16,320
you are an absolute professional and

2029
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:17,120
like uh

2030
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,400
just uh such a friend for you to go

2031
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:22,000
jimmy it's okay

2032
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:25,120
it's okay thank you and and

2033
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:27,040
it's uh it's just been another great

2034
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:28,639
conversation thank you so much

2035
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,800
where can everybody reach out to you

2036
01:32:37,310 --> 01:32:32,159
where can everybody get

2037
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:37,320
the book well my website is at kathleen

2038
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:40,639
martin.com all of my books are for sale

2039
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:42,239
autographed copies and

2040
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:44,000
the ones that i wrote with stanton i

2041
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:46,159
have his autograph on them

2042
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:49,920
as well um because we had stickers

2043
01:33:06,229 --> 01:32:53,040
and so there and

2044
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:09,350
many many places amazon uh

2045
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,040
barnes and noble walmart target

2046
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:16,080
all sorts of book outlets it's it will

2047
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,679
probably be i think it'll be in the

2048
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:18,960
physical locations

2049
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,840
as well and you know i want the audience

2050
01:33:24,310 --> 01:33:23,600
to know the original plan was to

2051
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:24,320
announce

2052
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,600
uh you know with uh kathleen uh the

2053
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:29,600
the eminent release of the book and we

2054
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:32,400
ended up it's the way the universe works

2055
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,840
you came on the day the book was

2056
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,080
released

2057
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:38,000
thank you jimmy it was such a pleasure

2058
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,600
to talk to you again

2059
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:41,520
absolutely and uh give my best to your

2060
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:42,719
husband and

2061
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:45,840
uh just be safe out there i will

2062
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:50,239
i'm not making any more night trips

2063
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:53,120
martin thank you so much kathleen this

2064
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:53,520
is

2065
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:57,760
a quick break and i will come back

2066
01:34:01,669 --> 01:34:00,560
and uh and i'll get to your phone calls

2067
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:01,679
kathleen

2068
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martin incredible

2069
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:07,760
60th anniversary can you believe it

2070
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,679
betty and barney hill

2071
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:11,760
uh my camera's over here now i'm so used

2072
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:22,149
zero five one now we're gonna test those

2073
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:23,360
phone lines

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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network and the one and only kgra radio

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all right welcome back fade to black i

2182
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:31,199
am your host jimmy church

2183
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:33,679
kathleen martin what a great

2184
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:35,199
conversation tonight and

2185
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:36,639
with everything that went down at the

2186
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:38,880
beginning of the show and

2187
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:42,560
oh man your mind

2188
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,080
my mind and and to go from

2189
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:49,440
the mass confusion to oh oh we're back

2190
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:50,000
we're back

2191
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:53,520
okay we're online and and i had to call

2192
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:54,000
kathleen

2193
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:57,760
back and go oh okay we're gonna do this

2194
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:00,960
after uh apologizing to her that uh

2195
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:03,679
we couldn't do it um and what a

2196
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:05,360
professional and just to come

2197
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,960
uh on and have that conversation

2198
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:11,520
with all of you absolutely incredible

2199
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,480
and uh so

2200
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:14,480
i'm opening up the phone lines i don't

2201
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,000
know if i'm gonna get the calls

2202
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:18,239
just yet i've got a few on hold seven

2203
01:40:22,510 --> 01:40:19,520
four seven

2204
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:22,520
two two eight two zero seven

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01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:23,840
747-228-2051

2206
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:26,239
let's break in these phone lines i

2207
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:27,600
haven't tested them well

2208
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:30,560
i sort of did a couple of days ago but

2209
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:30,960
uh

2210
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:35,119
are working

2211
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:38,320
we'll find out okay so um

2212
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:42,000
but what i want to talk about right now

2213
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:45,600
well okay uh let me back up for a second

2214
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:49,440
uh uh the importance of

2215
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,920
betty and barney hill to me it just

2216
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:53,520
cannot be measured

2217
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:57,119
um and to have kathleen

2218
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:01,040
with us in our community um

2219
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,320
discussing this firsthand is

2220
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,520
is uh it's a national treasure and

2221
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:10,000
uh just such a cool thing such a cool

2222
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:11,280
experience

2223
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:14,480
um i i i i can't

2224
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:17,360
i can't stress it enough um i was a

2225
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,560
little bit uh

2226
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:20,639
i don't i'm putting calls on hold so

2227
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:21,920
just stay right there

2228
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:25,280
um uh because uh

2229
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,679
my prep for the show i don't line up

2230
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:29,440
questions i don't write things down i

2231
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,040
don't do that

2232
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:33,440
this is always an organic uh

2233
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:34,880
conversation

2234
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:37,920
and it was interesting um

2235
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:41,280
how my memory from

2236
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:44,719
reading the book i thought

2237
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,440
my memory was that j alan heineck wrote

2238
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:49,040
the forward

2239
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,480
and i haven't gone back and re-read it i

2240
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:54,159
don't have a copy of it here if you can

2241
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:54,800
believe that

2242
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:00,000
but um to be corrected by kathleen

2243
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:03,280
amazing and i'm sitting here

2244
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:06,560
thinking no i can't argue with kathleen

2245
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:07,440
martin

2246
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,790
i had to go back and just think about

2247
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:15,760
this

2248
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:18,639
i i looked up the book she's we're doing

2249
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,920
the conversation look at him

2250
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:22,560
sure enough uh j alan heineck did not

2251
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:24,800
write the forward to it

2252
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:29,679
i'm i went through a mandela effect

2253
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:32,560
i i can't stress it out enough to all of

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01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,119
you

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01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:35,280
all right so that being said before i

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01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:36,719
head to the break

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01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,159
um uh i'll see if i can uh

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01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:43,280
but i gotta say this okay

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01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,960
everybody that's on hold just stay right

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01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:46,320
there

2261
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,000
mark turana is back

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01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:53,199
in the sandbox and

2263
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:56,719
mark you have been missing

2264
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:00,000
four months putting

2265
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:03,679
all of us through a panic and

2266
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:06,960
tonight i glanced down for the first

2267
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:07,520
time

2268
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:10,639
in in months uh

2269
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,560
i see a tweet from mark tarana and

2270
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,800
i immediately responded back now i'm

2271
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:18,800
saying to the fader knots

2272
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:22,159
check it out bloke from oz

2273
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:25,440
is in the sandbox tonight and i

2274
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:28,320
i don't know were you abducted what

2275
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:29,440
happened

2276
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,960
and uh yeah eric

2277
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:35,360
awakening man just said see if he can

2278
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:36,400
call in

2279
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:39,679
um and and he just replied back yo

2280
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:40,159
church

2281
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:43,600
did you miss me we all missed you

2282
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:47,280
i i certainly did but uh

2283
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:48,960
i don't know if we all deserve an

2284
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:51,199
explanation

2285
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:54,239
but i'm just happy to see you we were

2286
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:55,600
worried

2287
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:00,480
and uh mark tarana is right here with us

2288
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:03,760
uh fate or not now so everybody

2289
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:08,400
can go and yeah april fools

2290
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,000
um uh i want everybody to tag mark

2291
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:14,960
i want everybody to give uh mark a big

2292
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:16,880
shout out and a big hello

2293
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:19,760
and maybe a little bit of a hard time uh

2294
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:20,080
to

2295
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,440
just tweeting away that you got in a car

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01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:25,440
accident

2297
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:35,990
really uh mark mark we need to know

2298
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,400
we need to know all right all right you

2299
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:40,560
can you can deal with me privately

2300
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:43,600
too as well but uh this is uh this is a

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01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:45,440
really big deal

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01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,800
ah he's getting the attention

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01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:55,520
uh tonight uh and and thank you mark for

2304
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:57,840
the uh gt350 gif

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01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,320
uh that is pretty cool as well but he

2306
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:02,159
posted uh the car uh

2307
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:05,520
the accident in bullitt and uh with uh

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01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:06,400
steve mcqueen

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01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:09,920
uh when the uh dodge charger uh

2310
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:12,239
uh spins off the freeway and does the

2311
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,760
the big roll

2312
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,600
uh i hope i'm hoping that you're not

2313
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:17,119
saying that you got in a car accident

2314
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:17,920
that is just

2315
01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:22,560
uh okay mark okay we see you now brother

2316
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,080
i would like to know uh uh

2317
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:29,199
why the absence he just look

2318
01:45:37,070 --> 01:45:33,760
mark uh uh is part of the fader not

2319
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,080
uh fan page um he's one of the

2320
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:39,280
administrators over there

2321
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:42,159
um he's in the sandbox every night he's

2322
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:44,239
calling into the show he's a big part of

2323
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:45,920
fade to black

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01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:50,800
and then gone

2325
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:54,000
just gone i can i can assure you i

2326
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,159
i reached out and i got no replies

2327
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:01,360
and so we we were indeed very

2328
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:05,040
very uh uh eric says

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01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:08,400
four months yeah yeah

2330
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:11,840
four months crazy and just popped up

2331
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:12,639
here

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01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:15,760
in fade to block all right so um i

2333
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:18,960
am going to um i got

2334
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:21,840
the commercials all twisted up and

2335
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:22,560
backed up

2336
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:26,560
and around um and i don't know how i did

2337
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:27,679
that tonight

2338
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:31,040
but i managed uh to run things out

2339
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:33,199
of order i'm going to take a quick break

2340
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,560
and i will come back

2341
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:36,800
to your phone calls this is fade to

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01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:37,760
black

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01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,880
thank you kathleen martin incredible

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01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:42,800
absolutely incredible incredible

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conversation

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what a great person this is fade to

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[Music]

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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you can see them flying or running

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across the floor

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ooh yuck they're unhealthy gross and

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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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[Applause]

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you want to know a secret i love

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ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

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i couldn't stay sane without pawn

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instabrush

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01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:08,719
why fade to black because you never got

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that pony

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01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,229
this is fade to black with jimmy church

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01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:18,560
on the game changer radio network

2441
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:40,629
welcome back fade to black i am your

2442
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:42,800
host jimmy church

2443
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:47,280
kathleen martin incredible conversation

2444
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:48,320
the bigger news

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01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:51,679
though mark turana is back

2446
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,880
and i'm going to go straight to the

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01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,320
phones hi you're live on fade to black

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01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:56,880
who's calling

2449
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:00,639
incredible hey yo is this yes

2450
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,920
it is you hey jimmy church

2451
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,760
nice to talk to you my name is mike p

2452
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:07,920
man how are you i'm doing good where are

2453
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:09,760
you calling from

2454
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:12,000
i'm calling from rhode island rhode

2455
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:13,920
island

2456
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:16,800
yeah a little little roadie um you know

2457
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,679
i i chimed in late tonight i've been uh

2458
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:22,080
i've been a jimmy church fan forever but

2459
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,960
uh

2460
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:24,719
not maybe not forever i'm sure there's

2461
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,119
plenty of people in this chat that

2462
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:29,199
are way more faded knops than me don't

2463
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:30,320
don't get me wrong

2464
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:34,159
right on you know what i mean but uh

2465
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,440
um i just chimed in late and i was

2466
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,560
super enthralled with the uh mystical

2467
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:41,760
aspects of how

2468
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:45,119
uh mrs kathleen martin

2469
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:49,760
was speaking and i was thinking

2470
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:52,400
jimmy yes what kind of experiences have

2471
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:55,520
you had that were so anomalous

2472
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:58,800
that maybe you have a share yeah i i i

2473
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,000
i don't well see this is

2474
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:05,040
it there's a weird zone

2475
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:08,159
that um

2476
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:11,440
is possible i think with with anyone

2477
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,560
where if you go back and you think about

2478
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:17,520
certain experiences uh that you've had

2479
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:19,520
that felt a little bit strange

2480
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:23,280
that you would be compelled to reach out

2481
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:24,080
to

2482
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,400
a a therapist have some regression done

2483
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,000
go under hypnosis

2484
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:32,719
yeah and and and examine things i'm i'm

2485
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:33,040
not

2486
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:35,520
into i i i don't know if i can i wasn't

2487
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:36,480
trying to go that far

2488
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:37,920
jimmy but you understand i'm trying to

2489
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:39,520
go that far but but

2490
01:53:47,109 --> 01:53:42,560
but this is that i know that

2491
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:47,119
i've had things happen in my life

2492
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,440
uh does that qualify the need

2493
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:53,599
to maybe go out and investigate these

2494
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:55,440
further or

2495
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:59,119
do you just leave them alone

2496
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:01,440
look you know what you're making a great

2497
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:02,880
point jimmy

2498
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,560
i i don't want to take you off i want to

2499
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:06,239
add on to what you're saying like

2500
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,239
you're right and i think most people

2501
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:10,480
it's a private personal experience and

2502
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:11,920
it's not for everybody

2503
01:54:17,669 --> 01:54:14,960
it's not to be shared online and

2504
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:17,679
i totally respect that i totally agree

2505
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:19,119
with that where it's like

2506
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:22,159
everybody doesn't have to make a crusade

2507
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:26,000
to prove the spiritual experience that

2508
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:27,760
they had that was weird as hell when

2509
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,360
they were young or something

2510
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:31,679
right right right right right and then

2511
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:32,560
and and

2512
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:36,400
and here's the other part

2513
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:40,880
that if i had uh

2514
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:44,560
an actual missing time situation

2515
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:48,400
uh where i see a craft in the sky i'm

2516
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:50,239
driving in the car i'm out in the woods

2517
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:52,000
i'm with some friends

2518
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:55,119
and and we see something and then

2519
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:58,719
we've got six hours missing and we show

2520
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,000
up back at home

2521
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:02,560
or whatever back in our car six hours

2522
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:03,760
later

2523
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:05,199
i'm gonna go and check that's a

2524
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:06,400
different but i'm gonna make sure the

2525
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,679
world hears about that

2526
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:09,920
right right right right but i haven't

2527
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:12,560
had as far as i know

2528
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,350
yeah i respect that answer so much like

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01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:28,000
now i didn't have to be that thorough

2530
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:28,400
look

2531
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:30,480
mike i've had people come up to me and

2532
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:31,599
say hey

2533
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:34,800
uh you know yvonne smith

2534
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:37,599
and and and daryl sims and of course

2535
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:38,400
kathleen

2536
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:40,719
and and others i've i know a lot of

2537
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:41,840
therapists

2538
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,760
that have said you know maybe you should

2539
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:45,520
go and let's

2540
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:47,840
let's examine this and let's see if any

2541
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,560
uh

2542
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,760
you know what now now i i i

2543
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:54,719
i'm cool with the way that i remember

2544
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,000
things

2545
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,320
i don't want to know yeah i don't want

2546
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:00,960
to know mike thank you so much for that

2547
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:03,679
yeah thank you man can i wrap it up can

2548
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:05,119
i add one more thing um

2549
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:08,320
sure just to wrap it up like i

2550
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:10,719
i really appreciate your perspective on

2551
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:11,599
that you know

2552
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:13,440
i think a lot of people sometimes get

2553
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,119
caught up with

2554
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:17,360
these really awesome experiences that

2555
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:18,960
some people are willing to share with

2556
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:20,080
the world

2557
01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:22,719
but everybody might have them but it

2558
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:24,639
doesn't mean that everybody has to share

2559
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:26,480
them just because they have a twitter

2560
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:29,199
like it doesn't mean that you know your

2561
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:30,159
experience of an

2562
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:33,599
orb going through your room is worthy of

2563
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:34,159
a book

2564
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:37,280
right it was like there's a certain

2565
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:38,560
level of like

2566
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:40,800
yes we are all experiencing this

2567
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:41,679
wonderful

2568
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:45,520
world and there's only so many ways that

2569
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:47,679
we can help try to get it get it across

2570
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:48,880
you know what i mean so jimmy i

2571
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,950
well i'll be in too yeah man you're the

2572
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:56,400
best man thank you so much

2573
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:00,639
mike and uh he's right

2574
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:03,599
he's right and and i can take his

2575
01:57:08,830 --> 01:57:04,560
thought

2576
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:08,840
uh a step further and which is

2577
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:12,239
uh i agree with what he just said but

2578
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:13,040
what i mean

2579
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:17,119
is to take his thought a step further um

2580
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:20,800
is an orb in a room

2581
01:57:28,149 --> 01:57:25,040
extraordinary is it

2582
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:28,159
just a part of life now and to take

2583
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:31,440
that a step further

2584
01:57:35,510 --> 01:57:34,880
i was talking with uh yvonne smith on

2585
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:35,520
monday

2586
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:39,360
about this that when uh if if disclosure

2587
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:40,239
if

2588
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,280
the craziness starts right

2589
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:45,440
et's are here there's government

2590
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:47,280
confirmation here's

2591
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:51,280
uh uh some uh astronomers and

2592
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:53,360
astrophysicists and they've got evidence

2593
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:56,639
and omua comes back and we have another

2594
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:58,800
visitor from interstellar space

2595
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:02,400
and and there's an fsb

2596
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:05,199
radio burst contact with a message you

2597
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:05,760
know

2598
01:58:12,790 --> 01:58:09,679
something happens does this mean

2599
01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:12,800
that we have a million 10 million

2600
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,440
a hundred million experiencers suddenly

2601
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:17,440
coming forward

2602
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,119
is that going to happen

2603
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:23,679
right it's a pretty interesting

2604
01:58:28,229 --> 01:58:26,000
situation that we find ourselves in

2605
01:58:29,510 --> 01:58:28,239
it's uh it really is uh let's go back to

2606
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:29,520
the phones how you're live on fade to

2607
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,000
black who's calling

2608
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:34,719
hey jimmy this is carrie in palm springs

2609
01:58:42,550 --> 01:58:35,520
how are you

2610
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:42,560
i'm terrific you know i if i may speak

2611
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:42,960
for

2612
01:58:46,709 --> 01:58:45,599
all of your fans and listeners and state

2613
01:58:49,270 --> 01:58:46,719
or not

2614
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:49,280
thank you this week we have been there

2615
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:50,159
right with you

2616
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:51,840
pulling for you to get everything

2617
01:58:55,589 --> 01:58:54,080
connected and working in the bunker the

2618
01:58:58,470 --> 01:58:55,599
new bunker

2619
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:58,480
and wow what a big thing for you to go

2620
01:59:01,430 --> 01:58:58,880
through

2621
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:01,440
so thank you and you know we know you're

2622
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:03,599
going to get it all worked out

2623
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:06,400
and we're just here supporting you

2624
01:59:10,470 --> 01:59:07,840
because we know

2625
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:10,480
how much you support us so thank you

2626
01:59:13,669 --> 01:59:10,880
yeah

2627
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:13,679
the fund's about to start uh we've got

2628
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:14,800
uh

2629
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:20,159
we've got the show on the air

2630
01:59:23,669 --> 01:59:22,400
right okay so we we you know we're we're

2631
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:23,679
past that

2632
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:27,679
and now we are about to have some fun

2633
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:31,040
uh uh obviously we're gonna decorate and

2634
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:31,520
paint

2635
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:35,280
and and guitars and and lighting and

2636
01:59:40,629 --> 01:59:38,320
and you know start to turn this into uh

2637
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:40,639
uh something really really cool i mean

2638
01:59:44,870 --> 01:59:41,679
look

2639
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:44,880
this needs to be my space right yeah it

2640
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:45,760
needs to be

2641
01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:49,199
my thing but it's also

2642
01:59:52,390 --> 01:59:51,520
visually very cool for all of you right

2643
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:52,400
and

2644
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:56,159
uh i'm at the point now where i can just

2645
02:00:01,830 --> 01:59:58,560
kind of go

2646
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:01,840
okay all right all right but um

2647
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:04,960
i've got a i've got a blank palette in

2648
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:05,520
front of me

2649
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:07,760
right a clean well that's kind of fun

2650
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:09,440
you know you can just kind of mold it

2651
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:10,719
create it

2652
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:12,480
and you know the little things maybe you

2653
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:14,880
wish you had at the other bunker

2654
02:00:19,030 --> 02:00:17,360
you can create it the new bunker and the

2655
02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:19,040
sound is actually really good

2656
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:21,760
in this new bunker is that is it yeah it

2657
02:00:25,109 --> 02:00:23,280
really is it's actually i think

2658
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:25,119
a slightly better than the previous

2659
02:00:35,589 --> 02:00:31,510
pretty clear yeah yeah yeah we um

2660
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:35,599
uh on on the other side there's a wall

2661
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:38,800
uh that's about uh six feet

2662
02:00:51,030 --> 02:00:47,750
in back of me and on this wall

2663
02:00:54,310 --> 02:00:51,040
we just hung a huge uh

2664
02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:54,320
piece of acoustic uh paneling which is

2665
02:00:59,430 --> 02:00:57,840
i guess i i don't know eight feet by

2666
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:59,440
it's bigger than four it's probably

2667
02:01:04,709 --> 02:01:01,199
eight by six

2668
02:01:06,709 --> 02:01:04,719
uh and it's gorgeous and it's gray

2669
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:06,719
so that's now in front of me that wasn't

2670
02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:09,679
there uh earlier this week that got hung

2671
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:11,920
today

2672
02:01:17,669 --> 02:01:15,040
and so that probably different yeah yeah

2673
02:01:18,390 --> 02:01:17,679
looks good too as well it looks really

2674
02:01:20,709 --> 02:01:18,400
good

2675
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:20,719
but uh yeah there you go thank you uh

2676
02:01:25,109 --> 02:01:22,239
not only uh

2677
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:25,119
uh carrie for your words but uh to the

2678
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:25,760
audience

2679
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:29,040
um and understanding um how difficult

2680
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:30,239
this is to do

2681
02:01:35,990 --> 02:01:33,520
and and and and and get up and running

2682
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:36,000
it was it was frustrating

2683
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:39,280
you know like earlier tonight um

2684
02:01:44,709 --> 02:01:42,400
i'll go back to earlier tonight when

2685
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:44,719
there was no audio

2686
02:01:49,350 --> 02:01:48,320
on the video feed now what was weird

2687
02:01:52,149 --> 02:01:49,360
about that

2688
02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:52,159
there was audio all week right there was

2689
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:52,960
internet

2690
02:01:59,830 --> 02:01:56,560
equipment issues

2691
02:02:00,709 --> 02:01:59,840
now we don't have internet issues and

2692
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:00,719
now

2693
02:02:08,550 --> 02:02:07,440
i don't see the meters jumping and for

2694
02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:08,560
some reason

2695
02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:10,800
that particular audio interface there's

2696
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:12,880
three that run the show

2697
02:02:17,669 --> 02:02:14,800
but that particular interface was

2698
02:02:19,990 --> 02:02:17,679
lighting up but it wasn't recognized

2699
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:20,000
in and these are brand new computers

2700
02:02:23,589 --> 02:02:21,679
right that's a brand new interface these

2701
02:02:26,950 --> 02:02:23,599
are brand new cable there's a brand new

2702
02:02:30,470 --> 02:02:26,960
and and to have that happen was

2703
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:30,480
just bizarre and so now now i got to go

2704
02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:31,040
from

2705
02:02:37,589 --> 02:02:34,159
show the you know show head

2706
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:37,599
into tech head and i'm not you know what

2707
02:02:42,790 --> 02:02:38,239
i've got

2708
02:02:46,149 --> 02:02:42,800
drew on the east coast and drew

2709
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:46,159
drew was looking at he can run the show

2710
02:02:50,550 --> 02:02:48,639
from the east coast so he's looking at

2711
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:50,560
the feet he's looking at everything he

2712
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:52,719
sees everything he can adjust

2713
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:55,760
he's a producer he's an engineer so now

2714
02:03:00,950 --> 02:02:58,400
i've got him looking at it and

2715
02:03:03,189 --> 02:03:00,960
um and i was just like i don't want to

2716
02:03:04,870 --> 02:03:03,199
go into this mode

2717
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,880
i'm in another mode i don't want to go

2718
02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:06,239
into tech mode

2719
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:09,440
and then right suddenly it was uh you

2720
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:10,000
know

2721
02:03:14,229 --> 02:03:12,800
clicking of a box and and then we got

2722
02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:14,239
the show back

2723
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:17,920
um and now i've got to go from show head

2724
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:20,480
to tech head to angry head

2725
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:23,760
back to back to

2726
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:26,400
show guy right just like click click

2727
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:28,000
click click and all of you guys are

2728
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:29,440
putting up with that

2729
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:32,000
so we're here for you jimmy we got your

2730
02:03:35,669 --> 02:03:33,280
back you got ours

2731
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:35,679
don't you worry it's all gonna smooth

2732
02:03:38,950 --> 02:03:36,480
out

2733
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:38,960
thank you so much carrie you're so

2734
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:40,000
welcome

2735
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:42,320
so you know kathleen was amazing to have

2736
02:03:45,750 --> 02:03:43,360
on this evening

2737
02:03:46,629 --> 02:03:45,760
uh all of your guests this week you know

2738
02:03:50,069 --> 02:03:46,639
the bennion

2739
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:50,079
um uh barney hill or barney hill

2740
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:52,960
and betty and barney hill excuse me um

2741
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:53,440
it

2742
02:04:02,390 --> 02:03:59,360
know this is like the quintessential

2743
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:02,400
true abduction case

2744
02:04:09,589 --> 02:04:05,440
and what a remarkable guest this evening

2745
02:04:12,709 --> 02:04:09,599
and you know it just opens up it's still

2746
02:04:15,109 --> 02:04:12,719
such a a landmark

2747
02:04:16,709 --> 02:04:15,119
case but i think it's very interesting

2748
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:16,719
and i wanted to pose this question to

2749
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:18,159
you

2750
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:25,280
30 years we hear less and less cases

2751
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:27,760
of abductees like you mentioned before

2752
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:28,639
the uh

2753
02:04:34,069 --> 02:04:31,760
this call less abductees you know

2754
02:04:36,069 --> 02:04:34,079
being taken on to craft and having

2755
02:04:39,589 --> 02:04:36,079
experiments or testing

2756
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:39,599
more different types of experiences

2757
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:42,000
and my question to you and all the

2758
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:44,000
listeners and just food for thought

2759
02:04:48,069 --> 02:04:45,599
do you think we're dealing with

2760
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:48,079
different types of aliens

2761
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:50,800
over the last two decades or do you

2762
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:52,880
think that

2763
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:55,760
you know they have evolved so obviously

2764
02:04:58,790 --> 02:04:57,599
if they're so advanced they're evolving

2765
02:05:00,629 --> 02:04:58,800
rapidly so they

2766
02:05:01,830 --> 02:05:00,639
they're kind of done with that and now

2767
02:05:05,270 --> 02:05:01,840
they're moving on to

2768
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:05,280
other types of activities i don't know

2769
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:06,000
what do you think

2770
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:09,280
no i i don't think it stopped i

2771
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:12,159
don't know i i don't think that it has

2772
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:12,880
and

2773
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:20,639
there what has been repeated

2774
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:23,840
over and over again is

2775
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:27,440
that people don't necessarily remember

2776
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:29,199
these

2777
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:32,880
they're not recall you know so how many

2778
02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:36,000
don't even know that's a good point

2779
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:39,440
if betty and barney didn't have their

2780
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:42,880
hypnosis sessions we would know about

2781
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:44,159
these things

2782
02:05:52,629 --> 02:05:48,880
right and now um uh travis

2783
02:05:56,069 --> 02:05:52,639
is uh uh is completely different in that

2784
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:56,079
his his situation was

2785
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:00,560
uh um i almost said in the first person

2786
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:03,199
of course it was in the first person but

2787
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:04,239
but his memory

2788
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:06,880
real time like right within the time of

2789
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:07,679
it happening

2790
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:10,800
aware he was conscious right right and

2791
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:14,000
so he's a unique situation um calvin

2792
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:15,119
parker

2793
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:18,960
is another situation where uh

2794
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:22,639
it is all right there in front of him so

2795
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:25,760
uh but with with others you know where

2796
02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:27,679
you have this missing time and it's a

2797
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:28,320
very

2798
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:36,480
where as they somebody feels

2799
02:06:41,109 --> 02:06:39,599
something is different so they have to

2800
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:41,119
go and chase it down

2801
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:44,960
and find it and and get it unblocked

2802
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:48,800
um look we are dealing with uh

2803
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:52,480
uh a species that

2804
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:56,000
has to be has to be

2805
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:00,480
way more advanced than us not because

2806
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:03,599
they're e.t because they

2807
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:06,800
are arriving here

2808
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:09,520
so they have that ability that

2809
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:10,800
technology that

2810
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:12,800
knowledge that everything that is

2811
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:13,920
involved with that

2812
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:17,599
they are beyond us we are not going

2813
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:20,639
there if we were going there

2814
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:23,679
right how advanced would we be well i

2815
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:25,520
you know i don't know if it's a hundred

2816
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:27,679
years away or a thousand years away or

2817
02:07:30,709 --> 02:07:29,520
ten thousand years away or a million

2818
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:30,719
years away

2819
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:33,760
but what i do but what i do know

2820
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:37,040
is that they are coming here so

2821
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:40,159
yes they would have the ability to do

2822
02:07:44,470 --> 02:07:41,520
whatever they

2823
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,480
want with our minds with our memories

2824
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:46,079
with communication

2825
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:47,920
with all of that we're dealing with

2826
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:49,679
something that clearly

2827
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:54,320
is way beyond um our technical grasp

2828
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:57,280
we don't know and they don't know they

2829
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:58,320
may not be

2830
02:08:03,069 --> 02:08:01,199
um i've thought about this a lot carrie

2831
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:03,079
they may not even be

2832
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,239
erasing our minds

2833
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:08,639
they may not be doing that what if what

2834
02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:09,280
if we

2835
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,760
are uh being moved into another

2836
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:13,280
dimension

2837
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:15,760
where that that's that's it and we come

2838
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:17,119
back here

2839
02:08:20,550 --> 02:08:19,280
and everything that happened there stays

2840
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:20,560
there

2841
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:23,040
right i don't know i don't know i'm just

2842
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,599
using

2843
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:25,760
some sort of a time warp where they can

2844
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:27,280
move us into

2845
02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:29,760
where time is faster or slower and

2846
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:31,760
slower

2847
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:35,599
exactly my point that's exactly my point

2848
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:38,960
and uh man you are smart you listen to a

2849
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:40,880
show called fade to black

2850
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:44,560
i do every night and i always

2851
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:47,280
learn at least two good things well

2852
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:48,079
because

2853
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:51,199
when we look at uh uh

2854
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:53,920
these concepts where you go let's get

2855
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:56,320
outside of the box a little bit

2856
02:09:03,589 --> 02:08:59,679
because if we constantly

2857
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:03,599
think in our terms of our reality and

2858
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:04,000
who we

2859
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:06,560
are how we see how we feel how we

2860
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:08,000
experience

2861
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:11,360
everything here our time

2862
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:16,000
right that we we are just assuming

2863
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:19,520
that another civilization out there from

2864
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:20,800
another star

2865
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:24,000
system is going to be operating

2866
02:09:30,629 --> 02:09:27,199
on our time scale what if it

2867
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:30,639
is something comp and now not only

2868
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:31,520
slower or

2869
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:34,320
faster but that just means their entire

2870
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:36,159
existence is something that

2871
02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:39,119
we wouldn't see we wouldn't hear we

2872
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:41,119
wouldn't experience

2873
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:44,719
and and what we do see

2874
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:49,199
and what we do detect is noise

2875
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,000
right it's just not in our it's not in

2876
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:54,239
our space and time

2877
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:56,800
you know well there's there's light

2878
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:58,960
there's light in the spectrum we can't

2879
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:00,079
see with a human eye

2880
02:10:03,510 --> 02:10:02,960
there's tones we can't hear so maybe

2881
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:03,520
there's

2882
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:06,960
time frames we can't quite fully

2883
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:08,880
experience unless

2884
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:11,520
we're helped to move in and out of those

2885
02:10:15,189 --> 02:10:12,159
time

2886
02:10:17,109 --> 02:10:15,199
frames dimensions you know

2887
02:10:18,709 --> 02:10:17,119
it's it's and it's just something that

2888
02:10:21,910 --> 02:10:18,719
we can't detect or see

2889
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:21,920
and and we're wondering why telescopes

2890
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:23,280
and things and

2891
02:10:28,229 --> 02:10:26,480
and radio telescopes aren't seeing uh

2892
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:28,239
the trade routes between

2893
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:30,159
stars right and we're not seeing

2894
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:32,400
galactic craft and we're not seeing any

2895
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:33,199
of this

2896
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:35,599
this action because we're assuming that

2897
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:36,239
all of that

2898
02:10:43,430 --> 02:10:40,480
is going to happen the way we live

2899
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:43,440
but right it's it's probably not that

2900
02:10:45,990 --> 02:10:45,119
kind of party i don't even know how it

2901
02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:46,000
could be

2902
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,920
and and if we uh if we just look at the

2903
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:51,440
basics of the basics

2904
02:10:54,629 --> 02:10:53,679
and i'm not a physicist i'm not some

2905
02:10:57,830 --> 02:10:54,639
kind of

2906
02:11:01,750 --> 02:10:57,840
uh you know pedigreed scientist but

2907
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:01,760
look at it this way our earth

2908
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:04,719
has its gravity we are a certain

2909
02:11:08,669 --> 02:11:06,800
distance from the sun

2910
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:08,679
everything about us in the

2911
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:10,159
electromagnetic side

2912
02:11:14,149 --> 02:11:13,040
and everything else that makes us us and

2913
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:14,159
the way we've

2914
02:11:20,629 --> 02:11:17,199
the the way that electrons and things

2915
02:11:23,910 --> 02:11:20,639
and the atoms in our body make us up

2916
02:11:25,750 --> 02:11:23,920
right correct you go out to another star

2917
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:25,760
system to another planet with

2918
02:11:29,830 --> 02:11:29,040
different gravity with a different orbit

2919
02:11:33,669 --> 02:11:29,840
around

2920
02:11:36,870 --> 02:11:33,679
their star their year is different

2921
02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:36,880
their everything everything

2922
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:41,440
is different so how can we you know

2923
02:11:45,430 --> 02:11:43,920
our year right i don't know how old you

2924
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:45,440
are carrie but i'm going to say right

2925
02:11:51,910 --> 02:11:47,599
now i'm 57 years old

2926
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:51,920
okay why am i 57 i'm calling myself 57

2927
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:53,440
because the 57

2928
02:11:57,270 --> 02:11:56,560
runs around our sun around the time

2929
02:12:01,109 --> 02:11:57,280
right

2930
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:01,119
now what how is the life

2931
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:04,560
uh measured with another

2932
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:06,719
we're seeing planets all the time now

2933
02:12:11,350 --> 02:12:08,239
that that are taking an

2934
02:12:14,870 --> 02:12:11,360
orbit a day right

2935
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:14,880
this is this is just ripping what is the

2936
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:16,480
concept of time

2937
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,000
there right and also

2938
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:23,040
um grab a gravitational pull

2939
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:26,239
depending upon you know the iron ore the

2940
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:28,000
poles of planets around

2941
02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:31,360
particular suns and other you know

2942
02:12:35,189 --> 02:12:33,679
heavenly bodies within whatever solar

2943
02:12:39,189 --> 02:12:35,199
system structure they're in

2944
02:12:42,149 --> 02:12:39,199
including binary solar systems etc

2945
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:42,159
but they really may have a quite

2946
02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:43,360
different relation

2947
02:12:48,069 --> 02:12:47,280
to time gravity space and all of that in

2948
02:12:50,709 --> 02:12:48,079
a way that we

2949
02:12:51,629 --> 02:12:50,719
can't quite know or think of so by

2950
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:51,639
staying

2951
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:54,800
open-minded and thinking outside of the

2952
02:12:58,950 --> 02:12:55,840
box

2953
02:13:00,950 --> 02:12:58,960
i used to be years ago other dimensions

2954
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:00,960
that's sci-fi crazy stuff

2955
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:03,360
right i didn't really believe in it but

2956
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:05,040
i've learned to kind of

2957
02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:08,159
keep my mind open and start to

2958
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:11,520
realize that time and space may

2959
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:14,880
bend quite differently in

2960
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:19,760
under different very uh

2961
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:23,760
very physiological and physics

2962
02:13:28,069 --> 02:13:26,400
could explain the basics of why it does

2963
02:13:28,629 --> 02:13:28,079
in different regions we just don't know

2964
02:13:32,310 --> 02:13:28,639
the

2965
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:32,320
different

2966
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:35,679
quite yet so by understanding or keeping

2967
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:36,800
an open mind that

2968
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:38,960
time space and all of that may have a

2969
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:40,800
lot of variables

2970
02:13:43,990 --> 02:13:43,520
in different parts of the universe and

2971
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:44,000
allow

2972
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:48,639
time warps where

2973
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:50,880
individuals beings that come from these

2974
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:51,760
other

2975
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:55,440
systems can perhaps manipulate or

2976
02:14:01,830 --> 02:13:58,719
bring with them some sort of

2977
02:14:04,470 --> 02:14:01,840
technology or adaptations

2978
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:04,480
to our environment that allow for these

2979
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,719
bends in time and space and perhaps

2980
02:14:10,950 --> 02:14:09,280
consciousness wow that's heavy well

2981
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:10,960
kerry thank you so much

2982
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:13,119
thank you so much we'll see you on

2983
02:14:17,109 --> 02:14:14,480
monday great phone call

2984
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:17,119
all right jimmy thank you have a great

2985
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:18,480
night

2986
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:22,239
fade to black right on carrie that's a

2987
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:23,920
great phone call right there

2988
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:27,679
and uh the um uh

2989
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:30,800
the obvious is the obvious

2990
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:34,239
time is every celestial body is

2991
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:37,280
is changing time that's it that's it

2992
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:40,159
gravity time as you go out through the

2993
02:14:45,750 --> 02:14:41,920
universe and throughout the gal

2994
02:14:46,709 --> 02:14:45,760
any galaxy time is bending everywhere

2995
02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:46,719
you go it's not

2996
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:48,480
linear it's not the same let's go back

2997
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:50,159
to the phones hi you're live on fade to

2998
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:52,480
black who's calling

2999
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:56,880
hi jimmy it's deb hey deb how are you

3000
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:59,360
i'm bloody fantastic because the book

3001
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:01,199
from ours is back

3002
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:04,320
yes i mean i mean

3003
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:07,199
and now now uh you know and i'm so happy

3004
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:08,560
that he's here

3005
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:11,760
um and and and relieved

3006
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:14,239
uh but now it appears that we can't shut

3007
02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:15,440
him up

3008
02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:18,639
and uh so yes he is back he's officially

3009
02:15:22,149 --> 02:15:20,159
back that's good

3010
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:22,159
well because we started questioning

3011
02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:23,920
months ago and i know mark if

3012
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:25,599
i know you're listening and love your

3013
02:15:28,229 --> 02:15:26,960
brother i sure hope you reach out i'd

3014
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,239
love to talk to you

3015
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:30,719
back when he had surgery last year he

3016
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:32,719
was back maybe a week or two after that

3017
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:33,440
and then

3018
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:36,719
disappeared and so that was the time

3019
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:37,840
frame and so yeah

3020
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:40,560
we've all been really worried um i was

3021
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:42,400
going to do the typical april fool's

3022
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:44,079
joke for you jimmy you know and it's

3023
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:44,639
always though

3024
02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:48,480
i won the lottery right i did

3025
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,520
oh oh did you win the lottery

3026
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:53,599
well now i didn't win the california

3027
02:15:56,629 --> 02:15:55,199
lottery and this is dead serious it's

3028
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:56,639
not a joke but that's always you know

3029
02:16:02,470 --> 02:15:58,960
what you say to people oh april fools

3030
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:02,480
no my uncle passed back in december

3031
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:05,440
um and i knew he would leave my mom

3032
02:16:08,709 --> 02:16:07,040
something

3033
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:08,719
and she got her packet you know early

3034
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:10,320
this week and i used to work for a

3035
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:12,159
living at trust attorney and

3036
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,599
so i went over everything with her

3037
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:15,840
because she her eyes aren't real good

3038
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:17,599
and you know it was what i thought it

3039
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,840
would be and today i got a packet from

3040
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:21,360
his attorney too

3041
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:23,840
so it's not like a huge it's not like a

3042
02:16:27,669 --> 02:16:25,840
huge a life-changing amount

3043
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:27,679
but i definitely want to use some of it

3044
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:29,360
there are a few causes that i want to

3045
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:31,599
contribute to homelessness and

3046
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:33,519
animal causes but i'm definitely going

3047
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:35,040
to use some of it for hypnotic

3048
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:36,719
regression because the other night when

3049
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:38,000
yvonne was on

3050
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:40,960
talking about waking up outside in your

3051
02:16:43,830 --> 02:16:42,399
pajamas

3052
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:43,840
and i was eight years old when it

3053
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:45,120
happened to me and i always thought it

3054
02:16:49,750 --> 02:16:47,359
was sleepwalking and the more i find out

3055
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,760
about it that in one other incident

3056
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:52,080
i just can't leave this life without you

3057
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:52,960
know

3058
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,679
someday when i pass on i need answers

3059
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:57,280
and it's taken me all this time to get

3060
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,359
up the courage to

3061
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:01,519
want to pursue it and i will at some

3062
02:17:05,910 --> 02:17:02,639
point

3063
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:08,549
keep us posted keep us posted well thank

3064
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:10,240
you for breaking in the phone lines

3065
02:17:14,309 --> 02:17:11,280
tonight

3066
02:17:15,910 --> 02:17:14,319
and uh i've got to uh do the wonderful

3067
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:15,920
thing and get to credits

3068
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:18,319
which means that we managed to get

3069
02:17:22,230 --> 02:17:19,359
through this show

3070
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:22,240
thank you so much deb thank you jimmy

3071
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:23,760
for taking my home everything looks and

3072
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:24,800
sounds great and

3073
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:26,319
you're doing a great job we really

3074
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:29,359
appreciate you well it uh it should uh

3075
02:17:34,150 --> 02:17:32,399
really uh be kicked up a notch on monday

3076
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:34,160
have a great weekend deb thank you so

3077
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:35,760
much you too brother

3078
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:38,800
good night traders right on

3079
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:42,639
all right what uh uh we we got through

3080
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:43,280
it

3081
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:46,800
martin um and

3082
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:48,800
uh not only a great conversation but i

3083
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:50,800
want to thank all the fader knots

3084
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:54,800
um it has been a trying week

3085
02:17:58,549 --> 02:17:57,359
but uh it's all good i'm in a great mood

3086
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:58,559
bloke from oz

3087
02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:01,359
is back mark tarana mandy gave us a

3088
02:18:04,549 --> 02:18:02,479
scare bro

3089
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:04,559
gave us a scare maybe one day we'll get

3090
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,719
uh we'll get the story

3091
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:08,800
faded blacks executive producers rita

3092
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:10,800
kamarian shows produced by hill j palm

3093
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:12,399
renee dennis and kevin

3094
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:14,479
announcers are steve harter gene patoma

3095
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:17,040
mark d kovar webmaster is drew the geek

3096
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:20,080
thank you so much drew rough week

3097
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:23,040
my man you're the best music doug

3098
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:24,160
aldridge

3099
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:26,960
intro spaceboy spaceboymusic.com fade to

3100
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:28,960
black it's produced by kjcr for the game

3101
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:30,160
changer network

3102
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:34,240
syndication is kgra the planet

3103
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:36,719
that's broadcast on a copyrighted 2021

3104
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:38,719
by to black and the game changer network

3105
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,599
inc

3106
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:41,519
it cannot be re-broadcast download a

3107
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:43,200
copy to reuse anywhere in the known

3108
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,920
universe

3109
02:18:47,509 --> 02:18:45,599
without written permission from paid to

3110
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:47,519
black or the game changer network

3111
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:53,359
i'm gonna take a night off but tomorrow

3112
02:19:01,190 --> 02:18:57,280
paint got a lot to do

3113
02:19:07,690 --> 02:19:01,200
you guys have a great weekend be safe

3114
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:07,700
it's time to fade the block